Thy_Beloved888

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***Nothing new in this wah-wah book, but what else would you expect from two authors whose background is in New Age mysticism and spiritualism. The bibliography is packed with texts that are nearly a hundred years out-of-date, e.g., The Mysteries of Mithra by Francis Cumont, published in 1903. So if you want the latest scholarly opinion on the relationship between pagan religions and Christianity this book is not the place to look! Whilst sources contemporary to the period bieng written about are ignored or quoted selectively (e.g., Justin Martyr).
Wads of respected modern biblical scholars are also ignored (e.g., J. D. Crossan, R. T. France, Raymond Brown).
I could go on, but I think you get the picture...

***This book pretends to be scholarly but fails on many points. The authors completely neglect all evidence to the contrary, and just present their side of the debate without putting over opposing views. Take their tretment of Josephus as a case in point, we are told that Testmonium Favianum is obviously a forgery, and that 'no serious scholar' argues for its authenticity. That anyone still thinking that it has some worth should consider Dr Eislers word on the subject, when he said that the Josephan texts as we have it have passed through christian hands. A few points are worthy of note

1) There are two passages in Josephus that mention Jesus, along with the Testimonian Flavianum, there is also Ant 20:200, concerning the death of James 'the brother of Jesus, the so-called Christ'. The authors never discuss this passage which most scholars think is authentic.

2) Concerning the passage about Jesus' career, the authors present the cases that there are only 2 views possible a) the text is entirely authentic or b) the text is entirely inauthentic. The authors know (as they quote books with this position in), but have not got to grips with, c) there are parts of the passage that are authentic, but some of the text is from a christian scribe.

3) They quote Dr Robert Eisler in evidence of their thesis, however Dr Eisler himself did not believe that the text was an entire forgery, he thought that some interpolations had been made by a christian scribe. Even their quotation does not support the idea that the whole text is inauthentic.

4) Why they've quoted Eisler is beyond me, apart from not supporting their thesis, his book was written in 1931. If I were to research a subject, I would want some up to date discussion on the subject, but none is quated. Louis Feldman stimated that there were 84 books and articles on this subject alone between 1934 and 1980, why havent they looked at them?????? Can't they be bothered to do proper research

5) 'No serious scholar' believes this is just a bad argument, no issues discussed here, just an ad hominem attack, and one they downt seem to believe themselves. Graham Satanton plonked for the interpolation hypothesis in his book, 'The Gospels and Jesus', so he would appear not to be a 'serious scholar', however Freke and Gandy seem to feel to quote him extensively latere on in their book.

The book is full of similar offhand treatments of the sources, and should bnot be taken as a serious attempt to discuss the evidence.

***Here Freke and Gandy have compiled a vast amount of material supporting a traditional critique of Christianity. This critique states that modern Christianity, far from being based in the life of Jesus of Nazareth, developed from early pagan religions based in myths. The critique concludes that the historical claims of the New Testament are misunderstood if taken literally, that Jesus never lived, let alone died and rose again. The book is extremely accessible, even persuasive, but unfortunately coloured by personal prejudice. The result is not a balanced assessment of the evidence, but a frontal assault on the Christian faith. Contestable evidence is frequently presented as conclusive, and the speculation of one chapter is often treated as established fact in the next. Christian responses to the authors' arguments are never so much as considered, even where they are available. What results is a strong statement of the critique, but the book is far too one-sided to be treated as authoritative

parathetw mono ta arnhtika reviews tha mou peite???
ma eseis giati vlepete mono ta thetika dhladh kai oloi proteinete to vivlio ?
epeidh voleuei tis apopseis pollwn?

elate na statheite sth mesh agaphtoi mou.....

giname oloi fwsthres.... diavasame mia paparia...kai exoume thn alazonikh apaithsh na symparasyroume ki allous ston kaiada....

deite plz..oloi eseis oi amerolhtpoi ereunhtes to olo thema ANTIKEIMENIKA xwris fanatismous

kai an exete thn elaxisth antilhpsh oti diavazete me kritikh skepsh kai oxi fanatismo.....

as psaksete kai eseis na vreite ta originals apo kathe vivliografia pou mas proteinoun oi dyo kyrioi...

tha ekplageite ...giati tha deite oti alla grafoun ta keimena ths vivliografias kai alliws ta metaferoun

to gegonos episis oti h vivliografia einai atelhs kai monopleurh den to sxoliazw kan
alla dinei episis sta neura otan kai ayth thn idia vivliografia pou tous "voleuei" ths alazoun ta fwta kai diastrevlwnoun apisteuta to kathe ti....

xexexexe,,,gia fantasou....kai shmera pantou auto den ginetai....??
politikh, business, dikasthria..klp

Oh Yes...shmera einai poly eukolo na ksegelaseis ton kathe amathh...

alla ela mou nte pou yparxoun akomh skeptomena atoma.....

**Όσο περισσότερο διαβάζω τους Αρχαίους Έλληνες φιλόσοφους τόσο καλύτερα καταλαβαίνω αυτά που μας δίδαξε ο Χριστός.

kai pou eisai akoma file mou.....

**Το θέμα είναι οτι προσεύχεσαι, όχι πού προσεύχεσαι και αυτή είναι η μεγάλη ομοιότητα των δύο κοσμοθεωριών. Οτι προσεύχεσαι.
Περισσότερο προσεύχεσαι ΓΙΑ κάποιον, παρά ΣΕ κάποιον.

poly shmantiko
pyksida sto na ksehwrizeis apo kathe fanatiko - Taliban

**Καλησπερα καλοι μου φιλοι.Δεν μπορω να καταλαβω γιατι πρεπει να τα τεμαχιζουμε ολα συμπεριλαμβανομενου και των φιλοσοφικων ατραπων.Θελετε να μου πειτε οτι αλλο θεο δεχοταν ο Πυθαγορας και αλλο θεο ο χριστος?Ρε παιδια ο θεος ειναι ενας και μοναδικος και καθε θρησκεια η φιλοσοφικο συστημα ειναι η αντιληψη που εχει ο καθενας για το θειο ον.

sofa logia...SYMFWNW APOLYTWS....
ela mou pou omws merikoi oikeiopoun to "Theio" gia proswpiko wfelos....
eixa grapsei se proigoumeno msg oti to "fws" lete na to endiaferei an to apokaloume emeis oi "pithikoi" anapthra, daylo, lyxnari, h lampada?
h to endiaferei an tha to apokthsoume gia na mporoume na doume sto skotadi???

**Ορθες σκεψεις,ορθος λογος,ορθες πραξεις.
opoios ortha doksazei genikws den exei para kai na "epistatai"

**ξερεις οπου επικρατει φανατισμος ειναι απο κοντα και η αδερφη του:
η ΤΥΦΛΑ...

...kai h kwmwdia...otan malista apokaloun to "Theio" thou-vou h mou-sou-tou :)

**-Τι εστί Θεός;
-Ανθρωπος Αθάνατος
-Τι δε Ανθρωπος;
-Θεός Θνητός

allo anthrwpos kai allo "Theos"
enas mono htan kai ta dyo, ws mesazwn...
o Logos sarka egeneto....

**Προς το πάρον (ιδιώς αν θέλετε να εξετάσετε συγκριτικά θέματα Χριστιανισμου / Αρχαίας Έλλαδας) λυπάμαι οτι θα πρέπει να περάσετε μέσα από έναν βουρκό που δημιουργείται απο τις αντιμαχόμενες φανατικές ομάδες, που κανένα απολύτως ενδιαφέρον δεν έχουν για την έρευνα, πέραν της αποδείξεως οτι οι <<αλλοι>> έχουν λάθος.

Τά άτομα αυτά, καί των δύο παρατάξεων, έχουν την εντύπωση οτι ο Χριστιανισμός δεν ειναι συμβατός με το Αρχαίο Πνεύμα ΜΕ ΚΑΜΜΙΑ ΚΥΒΕΡΝΥΣΗ! και δέν χάνουν ευκαιρία να μας πούν το ποίημά τους.

pou na deis kai tous opadous tou Olympiakou kai tou Panathinaikou...:)
gia toso gelio milame...

a kai to poihma einai ena! Idio kai aparalaxto kai anaferetai sthn idia ennoia

**ο χριστιανισμος θελει τον ανθρωπο δουλο του θεου
να δεχετε οτι λενε οι αποστολοι του
να δεχετε τα παντα χωρις γιατι
να μην ψαχνετε για τιποτα
να ειναι ενα αβουλο προβατο
να μην εναντιονεται στον λογο του κυριου

το ελληνικο πνευμα δεν δεχετε τιποτα απο αυτα

MALLON OUTE GIA TON IDIO XRISTIANISMO MILAME...OUTE GIA TO IDIO ELLHNIKO PNEUMA...:)

** ΟΧΙ, δεν εχουν καμμια συμβατοτητα ο χριστιανισμος και το Αρχαιο Πνευμα.
Το ενα ειναι δογμα, ενω το αλλο ειναι Ερευνα...
Καμμια σχεση !!!

XEXEXEXE, DEN EINAI ETSI APLA TA PRAGMATA FILE MOU....kai pou na deis ti vgainei otan h ereuna ginetai dogma kai toumpalin....

na ste oloi kala

may the light guard your souls

Αχ, αυτοί οι ΜΟΝΙΜΟΙ και ΑΥΤΟΚΛΗΤΟΙ διεκδικητές της ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑΣ, άχ!!!

entaksei file mou egw den theleis na pistepsw se toses martyries, apodeikseis kai gegonota gia thn zwh kai th didaskalia autwn twn anthrwpwn......

esy exeis anarwtithei giati mas tarazeis to myaloudaki peri arxaiolatreias kai pisteueis akradanta ston Apollwnio Tyanea thn stigmh pou oi mones martyries pou exoume gia ekeinon kai thn didaskalia tou einai apo 2 ante tria atoma??

episis ofeilw na epishmanw oti esy kai tou eidous sou xanete pantelws thn ousia...kai opoia ousia

koitate mono poios egrapse ton xarth anti na psaxnete na vreite ton dromo sas mesa apo ayton

exeis esy w eksypne antilhpsh an ton Theo ton noiazei pws ton doksazoune kai me poio onoma oi anthrwpoi
h mipws an akolouthoun thn didaskalia tou?

esy to "fws" tou dineis kapoio onoma kai to fwnazeis...
h koitas pws na to apokthseis gia na "deis" mes sto skotadi?

to "fws" les endiaferetai an esy to les lampa, daylo, anaptira, lyxnari??

ton Hrakleito pou fantazomai diavazeis..exeis katalavei otan peri Theou omologei...pyr aeizwon???

exeis esy w mega, antilhpsh oti o Tyaneas kai kathe "Tyaneas" apla prosthese ena litharaki s`ayth th didaskalia? apla sou edwse mia symvoulh?? ena tropo diafyghs? mia lysh?

mallon oxi,,...

simera vevaia o kathenas koita na oikeiopoihsei to "Theio" gia kathe eidous proswpiko ofelos
Talibanismos averta diladi....
o laoutzikos omws ti ftaiei mou les???

les episis....
Τι θα κάναμε άραγε δίχως τούτους? Τι θα είμασταν? Πόσους Φιλοσόφους θα εμπνεύσουνε, πόσους Βουδιστές, πιστούς του Αλλάχ και τόσων άλλων ρευμάτων θα επηρεάσουνε.....

kai oxi mono autous agaphte...alla olh thn oikoumenh....
opou yparxei kapnos yparxei kai fwtia filtate....
ontws etsi symvainei,,,, exoun vlepeis kanei ena vhmataki parapanw pros thn alhtheia kai to fws....kai polloi to anagnwrizoun kai akolouthoun.....
ena vhmataki pou esy akoma distazeis na to kaneis.....
thelei dynamh ksereis.....kai tolmh...kai pro pantwn

oxi kritikh pros olous kai ola..alla tapeinofrosynh

les...
Πόσο θα μοιάσουνε σε έναν Αριστοτέλη, έναν Αναξαγόρα, ένα Πλάτωνα??

esy w mega a) exeis thn entypwsi oti moiazeis se enan apo autous?

esy w mega b) exeis thn entypwsi oti osa exoun pei oi autoi "filosofoi" diaferoun apo osa lene oi agioi kai fwtismenoi pateres??
kai tou Agiou Orous kai tou kathe orous...opou vale dipla sth leksh oros ton kathe ekastote golgotha ths zwhs kai to stauro pou kouvala o kathenas mas....

kai edw thelei dynamh episis pou les...alla kai epimonh kai oxi ypekfygh pisw apo dikaiologies kai astoxes kritikes peri pantwn....

les
Α, ρε καημένη ΕΛΛΑΔΑ, που έφτασες.......

pou exei ftasei h Ellada? pws to ennoeis auto..?
Exeis paei na deis thn Agglia? thn Amerikh?
megalh h diafora agaphte....kai pali kala pou h Ellada akomn ortha Doksazei"
gi auto kai "epistatai"....kai tha epistatai
kai esy to gnwrizeis auto poly kalytera ws "arxaio-latrhs"
eksalou to pan arxizei apo emas tou Ellhnes....kanw lathos?

pantws an exeis entypwsi oti tha swseis m`auta pou les esy thn Ellada
an pareis me to meros sou alla 15-20 atoma..eisai gelasmenos.......

arketous "tagous" kai "fwsthres" exei gnwrisei h Ellada,

merci den tha paroume...no more heroes any more...

auta
may the light guard your soul

ps:pisteuw na katalaveneis oti to fws "einai" kai o Ihsous...kai o Apollwnas...kai o Dias...alla kai o Ewsforos mexri na "pesei",

pisteyw na katalaveneis oti h dixonoia mono olethries synepeies mporei na apoferei.....

na `sai kala

apantw se greek lish panta (gia spasimo stous anorthografous Ellhnares Genitsarous ths glwssas kai oti allo thelete pou grafoun "tetoia" ellhnika pou den tous ksehwrizeis apo ena paidaki 3hs dhmotikou)

loipon grafthke kapou :
**Είναι θέμα ΚΟΣΜΟΘΕΩΡΗΣΗΣ. Πάρτο χαμπάρι επιτέλους. Αλλο το ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΟ, με τις όποιες του ατέλειες, και ΑΛΛΟ ΤΟ ΕΒΡΑΪΚΟ.

ta panta einai thema cosmothewrhshs agaphte mou! oxi omws me tetoia ennoia....

gia pes mou ti sxesh exei h Cosmos-Theo-Rhshs
me ton diko sou sysxetimso peri kathe Ellhniko, Evraiko, Mousoulmaniko, kineziko, h amerikaniko (sic) ethnos ths Gaias?

h Gaia nai einai stoixeio tou Cosmos....
oi ypoloipes talibanoeideis anafores den nomizw.....
kathe ethnos einai meros men ton kosmou mas...alla den ksehwrizoun kai diaferoun se tipota mesa sta plaisia tou Cosmos
oloi einai ena: homo sapiens...(homo pithicus kat eme) :)

a kai mias kai epiases dyo apo ta ethni...egw apla erwtw se poion ap`olous tous Ellhnismous...kai se poion ap`olous tous Evraiismous anaferese?

***"Αρχή σοφίας φόβος Κυρίου" (Σολομώντας Α'7) Κατα το σκεπτικό του εβραιογεννούς χριστιανισμού.

xm...an katanohseis pote to prwto miso ths protashs se olo to megaleio...tha kaneis apo monos sou delete to deutero miso

ws atopon-asxeton kai mh alhthes

den yparxoun Evraio-Xristianoi....
(oi men vgazoun spyrakia epidi tous apokaleses opws tous de kai toumpalin,,,)

exeis pei pote ena gavro vazelo kai den se "skotwse"?

e kai sthn periptwsi mas auto ginetai,,, :) :)

kamia sxesi to ena me t`allo..no gavro-vazelos mister....

mallon tha itheles na peis oti ta dyo auta paradeigmata ethnwn antikatoptrizoun dyo antidiametrikes sympantikes ennoies,,, ;)
etsi nai,,,opws yparxoun kai alla paradeigmata...polla sthn istoria...

h ennoia omws einai mia! kai h Thewrhsis episis :) :)

**"Σοφία πάντων και θαυμαστών Επιστήμη" (Αριστοτέλης) Κατα το σκεπτικό των ΣΟΦΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ.

symfwnw me thn rhsh alla rwtaw exeis katalavei ti ennoei
episthmh ws sofia o Aristotelhs?

h mipws thn berdeueis me ton shmerino (lanthasmeno) orismo ths episthmhs?

h shmerinh dystyxws sthrizetai mono sthn parathrhsh tou "ulikou" kosmou

gia na ftaseis omws sth sofia...xreiazetai kai "thewria" tou pneumatikou-nohtou kosmou....

tou Cosmos pera apo thn Gaia...gia na mhn ksehname kai ti eipame parapanw

pou to paw??? ma anafereis oti,,,,

Όργανο σκέψης για την εβραιοχριστιανική Εκκλησία είναι η Πίστη εξ αποκαλύψεως, ενώ για τον Ελληνα η Λογική της Επιστήμης.

Δύο ΔΙΑΦΟΡΕΤΙΚΟΙ ΚΟΣΜΟΙ. Δύο ΑΙΩΝΙΟΙ ΑΝΤΙΠΑΛΟΙ

plhrh sygxysis... ALLA kai astoxos diaxwrismos

sto katw katw...
pws einai dynaton oi evraio-xristianikh thrhskeia na exei ginei pleon apodektH apo Ellhnes kai na exei mishthei allo toso apo Evraious...?

oson afora ta peri pisths dia apokalypsews kai peri episthmhs...

katanonountai poly kalytera mesw
allhlosyblhrwshs, armonikhs enwshs kai periptyksis

etsi xreizetai....dia na proxwrhseis kai na gineis alithinos episthmwn (epi- kai istamai= anevainw...)kai s`autous anaferetai o Aristotelhs

anevainw apo ton edw Cosmos...(yliko) ston ekei Cosmos (pneumatiko)

einai kathara thema diavathmisews

kai gia na ginw ligaki pio katanohtos......

opws pisteueis oti gnwrizeis...etsi gnwrizeis oti pisteueis...

PISTIS KAI GNOSIS! TA DYO PODIA

XREIAZONTAI DYO PODIA GIA NA VADISEIS.....

oson gia thn antipalothta Xristianikhs Ekklhsias kai Elhnikhs Sofias
...edw peftei poly gelio....xexexexexe

dioti antipales ginontai oi omades AFOU boun sto ghpedo...foresoun fanelitses..krathsoun kaskolakia...kai fwnazoun synthimatakia...

to ghpedo einai ena etsi? (na mhn ksexniwmaste)

oi apo eksw...omws??(autoi pou vlepoun to mats apo thn TV kai gelane?)
les na xabariazoun apo tetoiou eidous TALIBANISMOUS???

esy poioi les na einai h pragmatikoi sofoi-episthmones??? ;)

mipws autoi pou exoun katalavei oti kai ta dyo einai ena>?

kai oti oloi oi "ypoloipoi" fanatikoi mas kanoune ta tria dyo?? :)

dimension 2 se 1 ena pragma...(mhn to pieite omws...lousteite!!!)

xexexexexexexe kai sampouan kai conditioner.....

ta pionia panta tha einai pionia...o paixths paixths...kai to paixnidi paixnidi

ola auta einai ENA

O de polemos entos. kai na ton agnohseis den tha se agnohsei ekeinos

kala toso dyskolo einai?

to zoumi ths ypotheshs filoi mou einai ena... :)
osa onomata kai an alaksoun.... kai apo osa koinwnika systhmata kai osous laous na onomastei

ekei de pou xanetai h mpala einai otan arxizei o polemos gia epikrathsh......

apo auto-anakyrhgmenous "episthmones" "sofous"

poio omws einai to shmeio diafyghs???

Enas stou opoiou to proswpo "xwrese" kai o Apollwnas kai o Dionysos alla kai polla perisotera....
Epanastaths alla kai Eirhnopoios
H Ampelos alla kai o Poimenas
H Odos alla kai to Fws
To A alla kai to Wmega
Kai o artos kai o oinos..

pws omws na antilhftei kaneis kai na katanohsei ta "dyo ws ena" ektos tou otan den exei ksekinisei na ta eksisoropei entos tou?
otan den vrisketai sth mesh odo twn aenawn ennalagwn polemou kai eirhnhs?

Einai eukolo na eppiriptoume panta tis eythynes sta opoia ierateia kai opoious laous...
Den einai omws toso aplo to thema...

na ste oloi kala