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Όπως είπε ''πιστεύεις''.Η πίστη και η ελπίδα προυποθέτουν ένα ψέμα για να υπάρξουν!Αν ήταν αληθινό θα λεγόταν ΑΝΑΓΝΩΡΙΣΗ και ΔΕΝ θα χρειαζόταν καν να ''πιστεύεις'' και να ''ελπίζεις '' σε κάτι.ΑΥΤΑ ΤΑ ΤΕΛΕΥΤΑΙΑ ΑΝΑΦΕΡΟΝΤΑΙ ΣΤΟΝ ΨΥΧΙΣΜΟ ΣΟΥ και δεν έχουν σχέση με κάτι ΑΛΗΘΙΝΟ που τo αναγνωρίζεις στα πλαίσια εμπειρίας.

Συμμετέχεις σε αυτή την πραγματικότητα γιατί την έχεις αποδεχθεί σαν αλήθεια.Πάλι ψάχνεις για κάτι πέρα απο εσένα σε συστηματα πραγματικότητας.Προυποθεση για να ειναι κάτι αληθινό ,ειναι η ΕΠΙΓΝΩΣΗ ΣΟΥ ΝΑ ΤΟΥ ΔΙΝΕΙ ΑΛΗΘΙΝΕΣ ΔΙΑΣΤΑΣΕΙΣ.
Αυτός ο κόσμος ειναι οπως είναι ΓΙΑΤΙ ΚΑΘΗΜΕΡΙΝΑ ΟΙ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΙ ΤΟΝ ΑΠΟΔΕΧΟΝΤΑΙ ΟΠΩΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ!

To ανθρώπινο σώμα έχει κατασκευαστεί για να υπηρετεί άλλους.Έχει κατασκευαστεί να είναι δούλος για αυτό και δεν υπάρχει ελευθερία σε αυτά τα σώματα.Όμως αυτος δεν είναι ο Αληθινός σου Ευατός.Είναι ο προσωπικός σου που προσκολλαται σε εκείνα που τον καθηλώνουν σε αυτό το πεδίο της Δημιουργίας.

Αυτοί που επινόησαν τους Θεούς των Ανθρώπων και τους εγκλωβισαν στο διανοητικό πεδίο της δημιουργίας για πολλά χρόνια,δημιουργησαν τεράστιο κάρμα για τον ευατό τους όπως και οι διάφοροι γκουρού που διαφήμισαν με τις προσόψεις του ότι κατέχουν την Αλήθεια.Η αλήθεια έιναι πολυ ΑΛΗΘΙΝΗ για να έχει σχέση με αυτές τις χαζομάρες που ο καθένας επινοεί και επιδεικνύει.



I think life without belief or hope would be boring and meaningless. If you knew the future or every result of actions, all actions would be no sense.
You would just sit doing nothing because you would know and have everything.
No life would exist since life is breath and action.
I haven't been in encounter with God, but I can see from the evidence that someone has created us(at least our bodies if not our souls).
I have seen his FINGERPRINTS.
I wouldn't like to consider God and Creation evil as gnostics do. I've got no problem with rivers, trees, mountains and the beauty of nature.
All that I can say is that man has made life a nightmare.
I can't blame a Creator of beauty and call him an enslaver, I can just blame human tyrants for the destruction of Earth.
Human tyrants taking advantage of religion, doesn't prove God and Creator does not exist.
Besides this, it's not a reason to hate the Creator.
To return to my previous claim I don't consider all systems as evil prisons.
The systems that God made were for our pleasure and happiness.
The systems that man made are for our pain and sadness.
I really can't hate the Creator for what man has done and I believe He exists not because people or human tyrants say so.


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Ότι επιβιώνει στη φύση ή στην κοινωνία επιβιώνει γιατί η φύση του ευνοεί την επιβίωσή του (γιατί πχ είναι λειτουργικό και αποτελεσματικό)
Για να είναι κάτι λειτουργικό ή αποτελεσματικό (πηγαίνοντας ένα βήμα παραπέρα) πρέπει να καλύπτει κάποια ανάγκη.

Το θέμα λοιπόν είναι, με τι αντικαθίσταται η θρησκεία, ώστε να καλυφθεί η ίδια ανάγκη ή επιθυμία έστω.

Και αυτό το ερώτημα είναι πολύ σημαντικό, γιατί αν θεωρήσουμε οτι η θρησκεία είναι κάτι κακό δεν αποκλείεται επίσης αυτό που θα την αντικαταστήσει, να είναι κάτι ακόμα πιο κακό. Π.χ. αντικατάσταση της θρησκείας με τον κομμουνισμό.

Edited by - Πύρινος on 24/02/2016 16:22:02


Το ίδιο είναι ΠΎΡΙΝΕ.Είναι όλα περιορισμοί τους όποιους το άτομο με τη ασυνειδητη δημιουργική του φαντασία τους μετατρέπει σε ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΟΤΗΤΑ ΤΟΥ.Όλα τα συστήματα είναι πειρορισμοί του διανοητικού πεδιού που προυποθέτουν να τα λατρευεις,να τα πληρώνεις, να τα προσκυνάς.Σου λένε ότι είναι παραπάνω απο τη ΖΩΗ.
ΟΧΙ Η ΖΩΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΠΑΡΑΠΑΝΩ ΑΠΟ ΚΑΘΕ ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑ ΜΠΟΡΕΙ ΝΑ ΕΠΙΝΟΗΣΕΙ Ο ΚΑΘΕΝΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΝΑΤΟ ΠΑΡΟΥΣΙΑΣΕΙ ΣΑΝ ΑΠΟΛΥΤΗ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΟΤΗΤΑ.

ΔΕΝ ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΑΠΟΛΥΤΗ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΟΤΗΤΑ ΚΑΘΩΣ Η ΖΩΗ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΣΕ ΜΙΑ ΔΙΑΡΚΗ ΑΝΑΓΝΩΡΙΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΤΙ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΙΔΙΑ.ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΙΑ UPDATE ΚΑΙ ΜΕΤΑΒΑΣΗ ΣΤΟ ΤΩΡΑ ΠΕΡΑ ΑΠΟ ΣΥΝΑΙΣΘΗΜΑΤΙΚΕΣ ΤΑΥΤΙΣΕΙΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΡΕΛΘΟΝΤΟΣ.



Great sayings really.
I believe there is Absolute Existence above all systems, but as you say there's no Absolute and Only Reality.
To be honest though I'm not a divine expert in creating or denying realities.
I see the world around me, a world I didnt make and I feel it's real.
I see my body I didn't create and I feel it's real.
Besides this, I don't want to deny each type of system since I respect Demiurge.
I dont want to put Demiurge in the same fate with human tyrants of matrix.
To say we're Light sounds interesting since Sun sustains life.
But I haven't yet any out of body experience.
I'm not certain life can exist outside of any system.
On the other hand I see that life exists in bodies thanks to systems God created.
For example life can not survive without oxygen, food, water.
So till I experience my life outside of any system and body, I should have to take this for something that might be true, but not certain yet.


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Θα κάνω ένα νήμα με όνειρα .Σε ένα απο αυτά μου δείχτηκε πως εμποδίζει ΟΛΟΥΣ ΑΠΟ ΕΔΩ να δουν παραπέρα απο τις συναισθηματικές ταυτισεις του με έννοιες.
Η ΠΡΟΣΚΟΛΛΗΣΗ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΡΓΑΣΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΚΕΙΝΗ ΠΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΚΑΝΕΙ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΚΥΝΟΥΜΕ ΤΟ ΧΡΗΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΤΑΣΤΡΕΦΟΥΜΕ ΤΟΝ ΠΕΡΙΒΑΛΛΟΝ .
ΑΝ ΚΑΘΕ ΜΕΡΑ ΗΤΑΝ ΟΠΩΣ Η ΚΥΡΙΑΚΗ ΜΑΣ ΟΛΟ ΘΑ ΗΤΑΝ ΠΙΟ ΕΙΡΗΝΙΚΑ ΚΑΙ ΟΜΟΡΦΑ!!!!THIS IS VERY REAL!

Congratulations for this great insight. I really agree.
We people have made life so difficult while in fact it's a game.
That's why Jesus said only children will be on the Kingdom of Heavens.
People work like dogs and they really don't produce anything else than useless garbage.
They don't care about arts and spiritual creations.
Exactly as you said, people are raised in a torturing system having no life of their own.
They just work for nothing.
This is the vanity Solomon saw under the sun.
So I hope more people will follow your advice and everyday will be another Sunday.
So let's say no to school, army, work and let's make another societies for creative fun and games.



War is the father and king of all: some he has made gods, and some men; some slaves and some free.

Tell me Teacher Heraclitus.
I respect you and like to read philosophy.
Do you consider me as someone who can understand your philosophy or are you an egotist?
Do you accept the label of the "dark" one whom only a chosen few elite can understand?
Do you like being a "Dark" teacher no one can comprehend?
Would you like to answer my question please?
Do you believe your saying?
Do you consider it as something physical happening in the world, something that should not annoy and bother us cause it's just physical?
Jihadists, Zionists and others make war killing children and making slaves.
Do you feel pity for this world or do you believe it;'s the right of the strong to rule and oppress.
Please tell me.
Is it just a description of reality or do you consider it a law of nature?
Are you a darwinist, a jihadist, a zionist or do you hate war and blood?
Tell me Heraclitus the "Dark".

The system needs you.
You don't need it.
Wake up slave.

Panos X you are a fool if you believe him.
This guy is a liar.
Noone annoyed his discussions.
He doesn't open his own subjects, he just feeds himself with the subjects sincere people open.
He just can't stand that other people express different ideas than him.
For this reason he is completely unable to discuss.
He just growls and barks behaving like an uneducated cannibal.
These guys want to enforce their system through violence even if it's not face to face but hidden and invisible.
They look the whole world as their own property.
They want you as their property.
Don't be a fool, but I guess it's vain talking cause you are a slave of the system.
The system gives pills and drugs to all people so that they will become stupid and unable to protest against tyranny.
These guys, in case they are psychiatrists, work for the system.
Don't take the pills and drugs they take.
Be a free man if you dare.

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Μπαίνει κάποιος στη "ΣΟΦΙΑ" και διαβάζοντας τα τρέχοντα θέματα νιώθει σα να πήγε επίσκεψη σε ψυχιατρική κλινική.

Δε λεω... Με λίγη καλή διάθεση μπορεί να είναι και διασκεδαστικό όλο αυτό που συμβαίνει. Πάντως τέτιοι διάλογοι, πιο πολύ θα ταίριαζαν στο "ΜΕΤΑΞΥ ΤΥΡΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΑΧΛΑΔΙΟΥ" οπου ο καθένας μπορεί να πει το κοντό του και το μακρύ του.

Από την άλλη δεν με εκπλήσσει κιόλας αυτή η ψυχασθένεια. Τώρα τελευταία είναι σε έξαρση παντού.



Let's see if your claim is right Mr X.
Can you defend it?
The dump team of Dsm accused me as a dangerous "jihadist" philosopher.
I promote killing and slaughter on Earth cause I said "the bad and evil must die".
But here is a quote of their favorite "jihadist" philosopher:
War is the father and king of all: some he has made gods, and some men; some slaves and some free.
Therefore according to Heraclitus since war is the father of all, he is the father of peace too.
So how do you have the nerve to accuse me as racist murderer when
1)your wise and dark Heraclitus makes jihadist sermons?
2)hundreds and hundreds of wars and killings happen every day?
3)each system tortures and kills thousands of people?
4)you believe in Darwin's theory?

As Panosfromlydian said you must be really deluded and brainwashed by fake hypnotists and false new age teachers.
You live in Never Neverland.
This is a parody.
I'm not the cleverest man on Earth but even a 3 years old child can figure out I'm wiser than the dump and jerk team of dsm.
I mean guys you're really dump and stupid.
I wonder if you have ever used your mind to think.
I'm afraid you're hypnotized and brainwashed cause even a fool could understand what I'm sayings.
As for "jihadist" and "islamofasists" phrases, they're also part of the stupid brainwashing propaganda.
Europeans were never friends but enemies of Islam.
So how do you dare to call the Holy Knights of Europe as jihadists and islamofasists?
It's a blasphemy.
What I'm saying is that fanatic Islam killers must perish.
All hateful systems must perish.
Wake up kids, educate yourself.
You really need a true teacher to help you think for yourselves.
You even lack the intelligence of an infant.


Edited by - Wise Teacher on 03/03/2016 07:05:30

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Η ίδια η ζωή είναι το απολυτο χωρίς όμως να έχει απόλυτο ταβάνι ή απόλυτη κατανόηση καθώς βρίσκεται σε διαρκή αναγνώριση του τι είναι η ίδια

What does "life is in continuous recognition of itself" mean?
Thank you.

Administrators of this site I really can't understand you.
We' re trying to have a civilized interesting discussion.
Why do you stop us, doing the favor of people who don't belong in the administrators' team?
Why are you ruled by others?
Are Heretic, Kost, Nikomahos, Dsm the admins and you their puppets?
These guys continue annoying us while we have never done anything bad to them.
We never went outside their house making graffiti or sermons.
We never annoyed them while having their discussions.
We're trying to ignore them, but you're doing their sick favor.
Do you believe in the freedom of speech?
Why do hate me and Panos?

I don't know if you type right now dear friend but let me analyze my thought.
A system is two or more things related to each other.
On the other hand the Absolute doesn't need anything, cause it's self-sufficient, one and absolute - "apolyto".
So according to your philosophy, what you call the "Real Self" is the "Absolute".
This is the same with Buddhism.
So Im curious and ask you because you said the Absolute doesn't exist.
Isn't the absolute freedom the realization of the Absolute?
To be in continuous update of awareness is to evolve and change in the world of Time and Forms.
Thanks.

Hello again my friends.
Let's continue our friendly and very interesting discussion.
Dear Panos
1)How do you define a system?
2)How do you define the absolute?

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ΞΥΠΝΑΤΕ O ANΘΡΩΠΟΣ ΔΕΝ ΦΤΙΑΧΝΕΙ ΣΥΜΒΟΛΑ.
ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΣΑΝ ΤΑ ΠΟΥΛΙΑ ΤΟ ΕΙΔΟΣ ΜΑΣ.ΓΙΝΕ ΑΛΗΘΙΝΟΣ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΙΣΤΗΣ ΤΩΡΑ ΚΑΙ
ΔΕΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΠΟΥ ΣΥΜΒΑΙΝΕΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΤΗΣ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑΣ.
ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΔΟΥΛΟΙ ΤΟΥΣ.ΚΑΙ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΜΠΡΟΣΤΑ ΣΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΑΠΟΔΕΧΕΣΑΙ ΚΑΘΩΣ ΕΓΚΛΩΒΙΖΕΣΑΙ ΣΤΑ ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑΤΑ ΤΟΥΣ.

Edited by - lydios_pretty_real on 28/02/2016 12:14:25



Do you claim all these ideologies and political/religious parties emmanate from alien forces?
Do you believe there's an alien tyranny controlling the rulers of the Earth?
Sounds possible but I think human tyrants are enough, if there are others besides them, they're just more.
What if I freely want to "enslave" myself in such a system, without being a member of political or religious party?
My personal estimation is that we have taken it too far denying all systems as evil.
How life would be without any system?
Would it be just an awareness of Self that has no form?
Would it be totally "frozen"?
I think life presupposes inhale and exhale. A movement and a need.
So in my humble opinion life and system are interconnected.
I agree with you all systems of man are evil, but I can't blame God without knowning the truth and just because human tyrants claimed they're representatives of God.

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but he doesn;t want to WAKEUP and participate in something VERY REAL that we DO HERE.

Exactly, that's what I am saying to you. Sadly many people as him don't want to wake up. To be honest they have already made the final decision. They loved this system with all his cruelty, bloodshed, fear, terror, tyranny. Even if some of them talk against systems, they dream of another system which won't be different than the ones existing.
Another tyrant falls, another tyrant rises.
So what are we supposed to do with such people? Should we love or fight them to death?
I sincerely believe the second even if I don't love death.

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He won't do any of those if you take the Risk to see that his position is one that is based on MASS AGREEMENT and only exist IN OUR MIND COLLECTIVELY.
See him for what he truly is and you are in the realm where you can;t be touched by evil.YOU ARE THEN IN THE REALM OF REALITY THAT SUPERSEDES CREATION AND THE VARIOUS IDEAS.

How true!
That's right, the false master has really a fake power and he depends on the mutual agreement of slaves into his will.
I agree with you and I understand you're trying to wake up slaves.
But the sad fact is that I believe few, very few slaves are going to listen to your words.
People loved hypocrisy and slavery denying the wise sayings of Jesus Christ and other teachers.
They preferred to build societies of hate and control through fear rather than loving each other.
Some people feel really weak and helpless needing a master to guide them.
Besides this they really love it when their master gives them a smaller authority.
They love torturing their fellow man, slaves like using other slaves as their property.
They don't want to listen to you.
That's why I insist that God or the awaken people should kill the ones who don't want to change.
They're many, we're few, but we got to fight for truth and justice.

Thank you both for your views.
You're saying all wars and protests are controlled so far by the elite. This is a disgusting reality.
But even if that's the case it shouldn't stop us from making a real humble war.
True people respecting life, should band together to bring down the evil authorities.
I wish I could simply ignore them and the reality they try to impose on our minds.
But they have done really well not only in imposing their reality into our minds, but also creating a hell to live in. Hell is real.
How can you ignore someone who wants to kill you?
Can you say he simply doesn't exist when he pulls the trigger?
Can you ignore his knife?
Can you ignore the bills he sends to you?
Can you ignore him when he holds your fortune and life into his hands?

Dear friends Chris and Panos, nice to meet you.
Life's a game and it's too sad that humans have made it so difficult. No other species has caused so much trouble and destruction as man.
Sadly, you can't change and see the real life by simply denying the existence of authorities.
This is just another form of vain esoterism.
The authorities are there and they control humanity and Earth.
By denying them, you're fooling yourself they're not there.
So, no matter how hard you try, you can't see the real life as long as these authorities exist in reality.
They're here to hide true life from you and hold you a captive in Hell they made.
So it's not practical to imagine roofs don't exist.
It's practical to put down the roofs so that you see the real life.
This means violence is necessary.
A duty of every free man who doesn't compromise with the system.

That's right my friend.
I really understand what you say.
All real people understand your theory about the wickedness of the system and the ones supporting.
When you finish with them, you can move to the next subject.
I've got some questions and thoughts to pose that maybe you would like to check and answer.
I don't suggest an anti-team.
I just suggest the creation of a team which will discuss in a human manner holding the values of respect and tolerance for the different view, far from fanatic trolls who can't stand it.
We've got nothing to do with trolls.
They're not our enemies, they're just annoying fools not worthy to lose time with.

Ladies and gentlemen let's come all together to make our personal team of discussions.
Me, PanosfromLydian, Xristosxatz, Zip, Mythira, Panpam, Christian Orthodox, Maria and whoever else is a humble person.
Why do you leave?
Let's sit down in our round table and let the trolls who hate each other discuss in another table far from us.


Ok. Enough is enough with trolls and psychopaths.
They are disgusting and boring causing vomit to all of us who are healthy.
Are we going to continue quoting Heretic, Kost, Dsm, Nikomahos?
It's disguisting when we let these guys ruin every subject we make.
Xristosxatz, Panosfromlydian NEVER FEED THE TROLLS FROM NOW ON.
Let them starve.
Let's continue discussing and completely ignore the parasites and voices of paranoia.
Please Panos come back to continue this beautiful conversation we had and never make suggestions to trolls they hate you again.

Edited by - Wise Teacher on 02/03/2016 08:57:20

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Και αν τωρα εγω ρωτησω
Λεμε ρε παιδι μου ΑΝΝΝ!!!!!
Με πια εξουσια...... ρε παληκαρι μου ,καθοριζεις εσυ, τι θα κανει, τι θα σκεφτει, πως θα γραψει, με ποιον θα συνομιλησει,και ισως ποτε θα παει για χαι..μο ο καθενας
Και εσεις με δικα σας λογια θα μου πειτε
Μααααα ειμαστε εξουσια
Ουδεμια αντιρηση
Ο γιατρος ειπε να λεμε ΝΑΙ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I understand your doubt.
But don't make this guy so important and special, there are at least 10 others like him residing in here.
They suffer from the same megalomania syndrome.
You don't understand my friend that we believers are idiots who are not allowed to write in a forum of knowledge.
Beliefs of the uneducated fools is a crime here.
How do you dare to challenge the Holy Monsters Dsm, Nikomahos, Kost, Heretic in knowledge?
We will be punished in the Hell of Philosophy for daring to disagree with these Holy Monsters of Philosophy.
Dsm is your teacher, please respect Intelligence my friend.
Let him open a vocabulary for you and teach you the truth.
ALL HAIL Dsm the Great! Nikomahos the Great! Kost the Great! Heretic the Great!
We're all miserable and foolish handicapped christians needing their Light.
We're criminals and we will be punished by Logic in Hell.
Please obey and shut up.


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Kαι επειδή μάς βλέπει τώρα ήρεμους μάλλον έχει ξεχάσει ότι πλέον γράφει επώνυμα εδώ μέσα...

Don't bark cause I'll get so so scared.
Don't you think that I should be mad with you, since you gave my personal name and phone number?
You betrayed me.
I didn't and I don't make deals with traitors and psychopaths who threaten they will call the police if someone else types on the internet.
I'm not a doctor, ask your psycho and real friend heretic for a good one.
I'm not going to give you any advice, I simply don't give a damn about you.


Edited by - Wise Teacher on 02/03/2016 08:18:02