.eipa:"an diapistoso oti ta pisteyo moy sto thema poy syzhtame einai lathemena tha se pliroforiso an endiaferesai".toytestin an kapote...de perimeno na allaxo apopsi kai malista gia kati toso sovaro apo ena forum.hdh thn anazhthsh moy thn exo kanei kai leo an kapote allaxei kati tote tha...

thn kalhmera moy.

- Καινή Διαθήκη και επίμαχα εδάφια; - .-= ΜΥΘΟΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ =-.15/06/2005, 19:20:01

nai ok den antilegoyme.symfono me osa grafeis.ego apla leo omos oti o sokraths mas einai gnostos apo erga toy platona(paradeigma ferno ta idia isxyoyn kai gia pampoloys arxaioys)ta erga toy platona tora(kai edo einai to zoymi)mas einai gnosta apo antigrafa pano apo mias xilietias.Dhladh me pio apla logia emeis gnorizoyme ton platona kai poloys alloys syggrafeis apo sozomena antigrafa poy grafthkan prin ligoys aiones.h xronikh apostash ths zohs toy platona kai tooso syggrafeon kai ton antigrafon poy exoyme apo ayton einai pragamtika assylhpth.Syn tois allois ta sozomena antigrafa einai elaxista.kai omos kaneis dne vgainei na pei...re seis ayta ta grapta isos einai ola foymara.isos na mhn einai logia toy platona,na mhn einai logia toy omhroy.isos na eixe alla pisteyo o platonas,h sxedon alla analoga me thn parermhneia kai to eskemeno h oxi lathos.pos diasothikan mesa se toses xilieties atofia?.Super logikh skepsi kaneis anthropos me elaxisth logikh kai xoris fanatismo dne mporei theoro na thn antikroysei

.antitheta polloi exoyn afhniasei gia na vgaloyn plasta ta grapta ths kainhs diathikis kaia as apexoyn polla antigrafa apo ta sozomena molis 100 ante 150 xronia apo ta gegonota.kai as lene oi episthmones pos einai egyra.to vrisko adiko
tora ok sthn periptosh milame gia theothta xristoy,einai safos pio sovaro thema apo platonikes filosofies ktl kai symfono oti prpeei na perasoyn ola apo koskino giati diaforetika milame gia megisth planh.
apopsi moy einai oti ta gegonota poy perigrafontai sthn kaini diathiki sta eyaggelia dhladh dne mporie na nai gennhma fantasias kai ayto giati edo milame gia amorfotoys anthropoys os epi to pleiston eksairontas ton loyka
Akoma kai na tan omos morfomenoi dyskola grafetai toso oraio"paramythi"kai malista apo 4 diaforetikoys syggrafeis e.oi diafores ton eyaggelion ta opoia as poyme "sfalmata"einai geloia kai anef sovarhs shmasias.
kai kati akoma shmera pithanon na vriskame kapoioys anthropoys poy tha thysiazan thn zoh toys gia ton xristo.ekeinh thn proth epoxh omos den theoreitai paralogo na thysiazontai oi martyres ekeinon ton gegonoton gnorizontas oti thysiaozyn ton eayto toys gia ena psemma?
Epipleon ektos apo thn kainh diathiki(poy einai sovarotah apodeixh oti ginan ta gegonota)yparxoyn kai alles esto liges istorikes martyries se alla ponhmata.
To na zhtame omos apo kapoion "thoykidi" h kapoion "hrodoto" ths epoxhs na grapsei gia ta gegonota ths ioydaias einai geloio.mhpos dhladh tha eprepe na merimnhsei o xristos na exei kai grammatea dipla toy?milame gia mia epoxh opoy h ioydaia htan to anekdoto ths aytokratorias opoy seri messies kyriotata stratiotikon kinhmaton emfanizontan san manitaria ekei gia an ksexastoyn meta apo oligo.giati loipon na dosei shmasia enas xronografos ths epoxhs?alloste ta sovara pragmata kai tote kai tora synexizoyn na nai ta oikonomika ta politika ta stratiotika ktl ktl kai apie legontas.otan arxize(kata thn gnomh:toys an apeileitai h aytokratoria apo toys xristianoys tote phran h xronografoi mpros.epipleon milame gia mia epoxh opoy ola dne htan kai toso dedomena oi apostaseis htan terasties ta mesa elaxista,h enhmerosh mhdaminh.
sas plhrofo poy to 2001 ego vrtehika kata tyxh se enan papoylh opoios ton eida(pros kataplhxh moy)na kanei pragmata poy den ermhneyotan me thn logikh.o papoylhs ekeinos eixe trigyro toy kosmo para ma para poly poy erxotan apo ta 4 shmeia ths ghs.kai dne milame gia paisio kai porfyrio(poy kai aytonon h diashmothta einaia ptoelsma kyriotata metathanatioy ntoroy).Thelo na po oti sthn epoxh mas poy ola pane toso grhgora,poy ta emsa einai afthina kai taxythta xampari dne phre kaneis apo ta mme.mia anafora gai ton thanato toy akoysa se ena kanali.ayto kai tpt prin.poso mallon loipon sthn ioydaia dio xiliades xronia.kai osa grafthkan einai para polla ma para polla.kai apo eki pera einai thema pisths.pisteyo h allios afhnomai sthn episthmh na moy ermhneysei pos vghke ylh apo to tipota,poios ekane tis yperxordes dhladh poy kanan thn ekrhxh...to kai egeneto fos poy leei kai o vradynoys kai vradyglossos moyshs xilieties prin.
sygxoreste me gia ta greeklish.tha diavaso tis apanthseis sas alla den tha sas antapnthso dioti den vrisko nohma.ayta einai ta pisteyo myo kai dne alalzoyn.eyxaristo kai pali

- Καινή Διαθήκη και επίμαχα εδάφια; - .-= ΜΥΘΟΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ =-.14/06/2005, 10:59:56

dhlahd gia na katalavo dne amfisvhteitai thn yparxh kai toys logoys toy sokrath poy ton mathame mesa apo ton platona.den amfisvhteitai ta legomena toy thoykididi toy omhroy kai toooooson allon arxaion syggrafeon poy ta prota sozomena antigrafa grafthkan xilietia kai vale(loool)meta to thanato toys kai poy einai olo ki olo merikes dekades,alla amfisvhteitai thn yparxh toy xristoy kathos kai an einai theanthropos ktl ktl kai as exoyme kapoy 5 xiliades antigrafa polla apo ta opoia einai ekato, ekatonpenhnta xronon apo thn stayrosh toy xristoy.Trelos papas sas vaftise?

to na pernete pente deka grammes apo oloklhro vivlio kai na prospatheite na apodeiksete oti kapoy edo exei mpananofloyda thymizei mallon toys grammateis kai farisaioys poy paleyan na vroyn enan psogo sta legomena toy kyrioy kai mayta na ton epiplhxoyn.xristos den yparxei na sas apanthseis epi ths paroyshs sth gh(yparxoyn vevaia merikoi idiaietera aksiologoi pneymatikoi) grammateis kai farisaioys pantos o topos exei afthonoys vlepo.

epipleon opoios gnorise kapoion xarismatiko geronta sthn zoh toy,den xreiazetai ta vivlia gia na peisthei,oi gerontes einai h apth apodeixh ths alitheias ths kainhs diathikis,h xeiropiasth pragmatikothta ths paroysias ston kosmo toy theoy.

den maresoyn oi agones antiparatheseis gi ayto an kapoioi arxizoyn ta polyagaphmena toys sxoliakia grammh grammh den tha apanthso.Alloste den prospatho na sas epivallo thn apopsi moy(mia apopsi enos xristianoy poy vrisketai makrya apo thn ekklhsia opos polus kosmos).Sigoyra gia opoion exei apories kai thelei eilikrina na apantithoyn aytes kai oxi na antidikei mimontas ton koygia sta parathyra,sigoyra leo yparxoyn gerontes poy mporoyn na apanthsoyn stis apories toy.
Την ευλογια Του να χουμε ολοι μας.

- Καινή Διαθήκη και επίμαχα εδάφια; - .-= ΜΥΘΟΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ =-.17/06/2005, 09:12:05

to yfaki kai h eironia sayto to forum perriseyei mporo na po kai einai o logos gia ton opoio dne ithela na antapanthso.
klassikh amyntikh stash einai na leei kapoios "den me katalaves".thelo diko soy htan xchamp,alla kati tetoio dne isxyei.epeidh den se arkoyse to "symfonoyme" tha to kano liana ligo.pragamti oi idees apo thn stigmh poy yparxoyn, yparxoyn kai paei kai teleiose dne mas endiaferei an to prosopo poy tis eksefere htan ayto poy oloi nomizoyme h dne htan an ta eipe h oxi ktl ktl.sthn periptosh toy xristoy omos milame gia theologia,sthrizei olh thn yparxh toy sthn theikh fysiognomia kai den milame gia idees(diafono edo ala tespa) ara einai zotiko na gnorizoyme an yphrxe h oxi.
vevaia h mish pagosmia mas istoria proerxetai apo phges antigrafon me apostash xiliadon eton apo toys ypotithemenoys syggrafeis.o kaisaras p.x me toys galatikoys polemoys,o thoykididis kai o hrodotos me thn istoria toys ktl ktlt .einai zotiko na gnorizoyme an ta osa perigrafontai ginan etsi opos ta lene h an einai syndyasmos mytheymaton kai gegonoton.den milame dhl mono gia filosofia,milame gia olh thn proyparxoysa istoria mas.gia mia taytothta dikia mas poy thn dexthkame dixos amfisvhthsh kai as proilthe apo antigrafa ligon aionon prin.
pisteyo antilifthikes giati milao.apo kei kai pera oi sozomenoi papyroi poy aforoyn ton xristo einai poly konta sta gegonota Toy pragma poy ayksanei thn aksiopistia toys,oxi mono logo toy arithmoy ton papyron alla kyrios logo ths apostaseos toys apo ta gegonota opos proeipa.
tora to an aytoi oi papyroi einai proion zohrhs fantasias h pragamtikothtas soy apanthsa hdh.ego dne nomizo pos os epi to pleiston amorfotoi h periorismenhs morfoshs esto anthropoi(eksairontas ton loyka)einai se thesi na grapsoyn ena toso oraio "mythistorhma".einai prosopikh apopsi toy kathenos gia to an ekeina ta gegonota htan alithina h oxi.prosopika epeidh opos soy eipa gnorisa kapoion geronta(oxi diashmo opos toys porfyrio kai paisio)o opoios pragmati therapeye kai ekane kai alla pragmata sto onoma toy xristoy,anarotithika posoi tetoioi yparxoyn poy vriskontai sto paraskhnio oi opoioi nomizo apoteloyn apth apodeixh ths yparxeos toy theoy.kai se syndyasmo me ta parapano poy egrapsa nomizo telika h olh istoria poy exei na kanei em ton xristo einai alithini.
gi ayto dne katalavaino to epithetiko yfos soy sthn teleytaia protash otan leo me apla logia dne tha lavo meros sto panhgyri ths antidrashs toy milao aplos gia na milhso kai na apanthso apo thn stigmh poy exo diamorfomenes apopseis.poios einai dhl dikos soy skopos na peiseis olo to foroym gia thn skopimothta ton apopseon soy?na apodeixteis o sofos ths pareas?nomizo oxi.o kathe enas exei ta prosopika pisteyo toy gia poikila themata.kai opos vlepo edo sto foroym poy diavasa dyskola ta allazei!an diapistoso oti ta pisteyo moy sto thema poy syzhtame einai lathemena tha se pliroforiso an endiaferesai.
kai kati akoma to syggnomi gia ta greeklish htan gia logoys eygenias dioti dikaioma moy einai na grafo kai sta greeklish kai sta kogolezika akoma kai diko sas dikaioma na ta diavazete h oxi.
apo kei kai pera grapse oti exeis na grapseis tah sta diavaso kai mhn eksaptesai an dne soy apanthso.den xreiazetai soi kai kala na symfonhsoyme me tis apopseis soy gia na dikaiotheis.

na eisai panta kala

- Άγιο Όρος και γέροντες - .-= ΜΥΘΟΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ =-.14/06/2005, 06:30:54

h sxesh moy me thn ekklhsia eixe na kanei pantote me to proaylio mikros na paixoyme me to fysokalamo h kamia mpala,,megalos na paroyme to fos na pame na fame thn mageiritsa , os ena shmeio to teleytaio synexizei na isxyei kai shmera.aisthanomai ntroph kai thelo na to allakso ayto.exo zhsei kai go mia empeiria kai malista pio entyposiakh apo ayth poy anefere o poet.Malista apo enan geronta agnosto sto koino,se ena xorio sta voyna(opoy otan eixa paei me ekane megalh entyposh pos ginetai na rxetai tosos kosmos kai o papoylhs na paramenei agnostos).Ekei vrethika me to zori ,tespa.Tha moy peite mono aoristologies mexri tora,tha sas po oti dne thelo na moirasto thn empeiria moy mazi sas

.Kai theoro oti ekei ekso kykloforei arketos kosmos me koyfes istories kai empeiries poy poly apla den milaei,polles fores kai oi gerontes dinoyn tetoia symvoylh.Apla grafo gia na po prota apola oti pragmati yparxoyn xarismatikoi gerontes toys opoiys o polys kosmos dne gnorizei,epishs to gegonos oti diavazoyme se ena vivlio kati fovera travhgmeno dne xreiazetai na to eksovelizoyme kateythian kai na xleyazoyme gia fantasioplhktoys toys anthropoys.

Me to theo symvainei ayto poy eipe kapote o pascal"Επειδή υπάρχουν τόσοι άνθρωποι ανάξιοι της αγάπης του Θεού, θέλησε να τους αφήσει στερημένους από το αγαθό το οποίο δεν θέλουν. Δεν θα ήταν λοιπόν δίκαιο να φανερωνόταν μ’ έναν τρόπο ξεκάθαρα θεϊκό και απολύτως ικανό να πείσει όλους τους ανθρώπους. Αλλά δεν θα ήταν επίσης δίκαιο να ερχόταν μ’ έναν τόσο κρυφό τρόπο, ώστε να μην μπορούν να Τον αναγνωρίσουν εκείνοι που Τον γυρεύουν ειλικρινά…
Υπάρχει αρκετό φως για κείνους που δεν επιθυμούν παρά να Τον δουν, και αρκετό σκοτάδι για κείνους ου έχουν αντίθετη διάθεση"