- ΑΣΤΡΙΚΗ ΠΡΟΒΟΛΗ, 3ο μέρος, επίσημη έκδοση - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.

Αυτες τις μερες δυστυχως εχω δουλεια πρωι πρωι και αποφευγω να πειραματιζομαι με την Α.Π. Σιγουρα σε μερικες μερες που θα εχω αρχισει να χαλαρωνω απο την δουλεια θα ξαναπροσπαθησω.

(ΣΥΝΕΧΙΖΕΤΑΙ,,,>>>>>>>>>>>>>)

(ΣΥΝΕΧΙΖΕΤΑΙ,,,>>>>>>>>>>>>>)

Αστρικο σεξ!!

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Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde:

Οντως γινεται να κανεις αστρικο σεξ?

Εχει κανει κανεις σας?

Αν ναι, πώς ειναι σε συγκριση με το αληθινο?

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Πρωτα απ ολα, στο αστρικο πεδιο υπαρχει αφη.Αν αγγιξω ενα τοιχο θα τον νιωσω?

2ον:Αφου το αστρικο σωμα ειναι κατι που το επιλεγουμε(μεσω της φαντασιας μας υποθετω).. η φαντασια μας ομως δεν ειναι ακριβης ουτε προσεχει ρεαλιστικες λεπτομερειες απο οσο γνωριζω.. αρα πώς λοιπον μπορει το σωμα να ειναι ρεαλιστικο και εν συνεχεια το σεξ?

3ον:σε τι βαθμο μιαζει με ονειρο η αστρικη προβολη? Αν μοιαζει πολυ πώς γινεται το σεξ να ειναι "καταπληκτικο" κ αντιστοιχα να ειναι οτιδηποτε "καταπληκτικο" εκει περα? Γιατι στα ονειρα σε ενα βαθμο νιωθεις την "ψευδοτητα" των πραματων.

4ον:Πώς γινεται να θυμασαι μετα μια αστρικη προβολη?

5ον:Κατα τη διαρκεια τις αστρικης προβολης το σωμα-μυαλο ξεκουραζεται?
Ή δε "μετριεται" ως υπνος/ξεκουραση??

6ον:Γινεται να δημιουργηθουν φιλικοι ή και δεσμοι αγαπης μεταξυ αστρικων οντων? Και αναφερομαι κυριως ας πουμε μεταξυ ενος ανθρωπου και ενος στοιχειου της φυσης ή ανθρωπου κ νεκρου?

Επισης οταν συναντιεσαι με ενα αστρικο ον τι κανεις(οπως με εναν ξενο οταν κυκλοφορεις στον δρομο)? Το προσπερνας? Λες "Αλόχα!"(χμμ.. χρειαζεται γλωσσα(γαλλικα, αγγλικα) για να επικοινωνισεις?). Ως κοινωνικο ον δηλαδη πώς λειτουργεις? κ μαλιστα φτανεις στο σεξ.. απο ο,τι εχω καταλαβει απο διαφορα που διαβασα αλλού, το σεξ ειναι αρκετα ευκολη υποθεση στο αστρικο πεδιο..(ok lets go for a round!) και διαβασα μαλιστα πως κανουνε σεξ με τα.. ελεμεντς(στοιχεία). Να υποθεσω κιολας οτι αυτα παιρνουν οποια μορφη μπορει εσυ να θελεις()?

Εν τελει θα θελα να ρωτησω ποσο καιρο πηρε σε εσας που επιτυχατε αστρικη προβολη να το καταφερεται.Ποσες φορες περιπου επαναλαβατε την ασκηση(οποια και να ηταν αυτη)?
Την επαναλαβατε ποτε διαδοχικα?

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Θα ηθελα να ρωτησω για κατι που διαβασα σε ενα βιβλιο για Α.Π.

Αστρικο σεξ!!

Οντως γινεται να κανεις αστρικο σεξ? Εχει κανει κανεις σας? Αν ναι, πώς ειναι σε συγκριση με το αληθινο?

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Αυτό πάλι πρώτη φορά το ακούω!!!
Φαντάζομαι την εικόνα ενός ζευγαριού το οποίο ξαπλώνει στο κρεβάτι και κανονίζουν να συναντηθούν στο αστρικό σε μια ώρα ώστε να κάνουν αστρικό σεξ.

Όσον αφορά τις ερωτήσεις σου, θα σε συμβούλευα να διαβάσεις το βιβλίο "Αστρικός Κόσμος" της Annie Besant, πιστεύω ότι θα σε πληροφορήσει αρκετά καλά για το αστρικό πεδίο.

Προσπαθώντας λοιπόν να απαντήσω τις ερωτήσεις σου, θα πρέπει να ομολογήσω ότι δεν έχω κάνει κάποια συνειδητή αστρική προβολή.
Το είχα προσπαθήσει δύο φορές παλιότερα, αποκοιμήθηκα, οπότε και δεν ασχολήθηκα περαιτέρω.

Σύμφωνα με τις περισσότερες εσωτερικές παραδόσεις, ο άνθρωπος έχει διάφορους φορείς (φυσικοαιθερικός, αστρικός, νοητικός, βουδδικός κλπ).
Οπότε δε νομίζω ότι επιλέγουμε κάποιον φορέα.

Το αστρικό πεδίο λοιπόν - ανάμεσα στ' άλλα - είναι το πεδίο στο οποίο αποτυπώνονται κυρίως οι επιθυμίες μας, οι φόβοι μας, οι εμμονές μας, οι σκεπτομορφές μας κλπ.
Η συνείδηση μας μεταβαίνει σ' αυτό κατά την διάρκεια του ύπνου μας - ασυνείδητη αστρική προβολή - και τα όνειρα που βλέπουμε είναι οι παραστάσεις απ' αυτό.
Πέρα λοιπόν από τον δικό μας αστρικό φορέα, στον αστρικό κόσμο βρίσκονται οι αστρικοί φορείς των συνανθρώπων μας, τα στοιχειακά, οι ψυχές που είτε κατέρχονται για να ενσαρκωθούν είτε ανέρχονται εφόσον έχουν χάσει τον φυσικό τους φορέα (θάνατος) - οπότε η Ψυχή είναι στην διαδικασία ανόδου - τα αστρικά κελύφη κλπ.
Οπότε κατά την διάρκεια του ύπνου μας, γίνεται η έξοδος μας σ' αυτό.

Λόγω απουσίας σχετικής συνειδητής εμπειρίας, δε μπορώ να σου απαντήσω στο 5ο ερώτημα σου.
Οι σχέσεις που αναφέρεις θα πρέπει να αποφεύγονται και δεν ενδείκνυται η ανάπτυξη τέτοιου είδους δεσμών.
Αν λάβουμε υπόψιν μας ότι το αστρικό πεδίο είναι το πεδίο της απατηλότητας και των ψευδαισθήσεων, δεν υπάρχει ουσιαστικός λόγος για την ψυχή να το επιχειρήσει.
Πέραν αυτού, μπορεί να αποβεί και μοιραίο κι επικίνδυνο αν λάβουμε υπόψιν μας το πλήθος των κατοίκων του...

In anticipation of my resurrection...

The following experience was induced via a combination of 5 chewed Salvia divinorum leaves, 2 grams of dried, powdered psilocybian mushrooms, and half a tablet of MDMA, along with 21 minutes of stimulation from a Photosonic Nova Pro brain machine (instigated at the point when the first effects from the Salvia were felt).

I notice that I have fallen asleep, or rather that my body has, yet I am cognitive. But I am not out of my body, yet. As I lay in bed enjoying the geometric-like intricate patterns that are still dancing before my mind's eye, I commence to experience another odd sensation. I feel a very gentle massage on my feet! But this does not scare me at all. On the contrary, not only does it relax me, but I also become intrigued by the gentleness of the invisible soft hands. I try to mentally communicate with whomever or whatever is doing this by asking its name. But when I receive a reply mentally, I can't seem to make it out. So I ask again.

Still, I can't fully make it out. It's something like "Nelly" or "Millie," but that's not quite it. In addition, I now find myself in a very playful mood thanks to the foot massage. So again I ask for a name, but this time I mentally project a strong thought and desire. "Spell-it-out." I mentally command.

"M - N - E - M - I - N - E - L - L - I - E. My name is Mneminellie."

To which I reply: "Nemi...nellie?"

"Close, very close." The imageless voice said. "MMMM - ne - mi - ne - llie. You have to give emphasis to the MMMsound before saying neminellie. It's MMM-neminellie, in one quick spurt." [pronounced: um - nah - me - nah - lee]

"Oh, I got it, MMM-neminellie! Mneminellie! That's a cool name." I mentally shout back.

"Are you the Salvia spirit?" I continued. "No, I am not." She firmly said. "What's your name?"

"Oh I've got a really easy and simple name. It's just Joey. Listen Mneminellie, I can't seem to get out of my body, or see you for that matter, can you help me out?"

Before getting to the last word of the sentence I was mentally projecting, I feel a pair of warm hands reach inside my physical body and pull me out from the waist up, by grabbing unto my shoulders. As soon as this happens, the female voice I'd been talking to comes into full view. I am pleasantly surprised to find that not only is the being I've been communicating with an extremely attractive young woman, but that she's also completely naked!

I recall that she appeared to be in her late teens or early twenties. She was tall, probably about five-foot-seven or fivefoot- eight, voluptuous, and had long hair with loose, thick curls. The color of it was bright burgundy red, and she had large cat-green eyes and fair skin. Since this wasn't the first time I had been involved in a situation like this -- being out of my body with a woman that I found myself attracted to -- I grab her and ask her if she's thinking what I'm thinking. "I am; and I'd love to merge my energy-essence with yours," she responds.

Having said that, we immediately embrace and begin to eagerly kiss rather passionately; and within a few seconds of kissing, I notice that both of our bodies are shimmering. There is an "ethereal" quality to them now. I also note that our skin commences to sort of phase in and out of focus. What I mean is that the shimmering that our bodies are displaying alternates between a flesh-tone color and an ethereal-like substance quality. Moreover, this body change seems to take place according to our state of emotional intensity.

I have to emphasize that the feel of her skin and of her touch was very real. She was as solid and real as you and me are. And she somehow knew exactly what I was thinking and vice versa, for that's how we were communicating. I must also confess that my sexual desire for her was equally as real, if not more real than real!

As I start gently caressing her breasts, I begin to feel the urge to taste them and put them in my mouth. As this thought is crossing my mind, she immediately pulls my head down towards them. So I proceed to eagerly kiss her breasts. As I'm enjoying myself she throws her head back; while moaning in ecstasy. "There is no safer sex than non-physical sex!" I inwardly chuckle to myself. "I can't believe this is happening to me. This is great!" By this time I have completely rolled out of my physical body and am lying next to it, while Mneminellie is sitting on top of my non-physical body. The feelings I am experiencing by now are beyond words.

Within moments we are definitively merging our energy essences -- if you know what I mean. As I look up at her, I both see and feel her, rapidly and rhythmically moving back and forth, as well as powerfully grinding herself into me. This causes an incredible luminescence effect to emanate from her body. Sparks start flying out of her, literally! Because of this, there is a fantastic light show happening in my bedroom. The whole place is lighting up with quick and continuous bursts of luminescence. In that sense, it looks as if there's a Fourth of July celebration going on inside my bedroom!

In the middle of all this commotion, I briefly notice a couple of magazines that are next to my bed, on top of one of my nightstands, which feature various famous female entertainers such as Carmen Electra and Jenny McCarthy. Inadvertently, my imagination starts to run away with itself, as a result of the quick flashing images coming into my awareness from those magazines, which are no more than a few inches away from me. Then, as Mneminellie finally culminates her "light show" in to what I can only describe as a huge super nova, she leans over to kiss me, and then rolls over next to me. Still excited and mentally aroused, I climb on top of her so as to "spark out" myself.

Looking down at her from above, I realize what a beautiful woman she truly is. As I begin imitating her earlier grinding movements and rhythmic motions, I too begin to light up the room. But as I'm engaged in this activity, once again the images of the magazines come into my sight and awareness. However, this time my naughty nature takes over, and as I am looking down at Mneminellie -- while she is moaning, groaning, and beginning to light up and spark out again -- I "accidentally" begin to think about the magazine images; and consequently they commence to appear before my mind's eye. This causes me to get even more excited than before, and therefore causes me to light up and spark out just like Mneminellie is doing, but with much more intensity. Then, in the heat of the moment, I lean over and proceed to take one of Mneminellie's breasts to my mouth again. As I am savoring the "moment," if you will (as well as her right breast), one of the model's images from the magazines again flashes through my mind. Suddenly, I feel something very peculiar. Mneminellie's breast starts to not only taste different, but also begins to "move" inside my mouth. In fact, it becomes a bit smaller, and as I open my eyes to see the other one, I witness something startling. The entire breast, including the nipple, has morphed into a completely different breast! Backing myself up and away from Mneminellie's chest to get a better view of it, I receive yet another surprise. Mneminellie is smiling at me, and is also in the process of completely morphing herself, right before my eyes, into the woman in the magazine that was on my mind just a few moments ago!

"You like?" She asks me with a knowing smile.

"Y-Y-Yeah, wow! That's unbelievable! I'm now making love to ____________________! (Note: Insert here any movie star or supermodel you like.)

As you can imagine, my mind is now racing with multiple possibilities. No, limitless possibilities. No, endless possibilities! While I'm flashing and sparking out, and catching on to what's happening, I start to remember (and therefore imagine), one of my ex-girlfriends. And again, right before my eyes, Mneminellie begins to transform herself into her! This continues to turn me on of course, so I keep kissing her even more passionately, and proceed to take the newly produced and now larger breast and nipple to my mouth once more.

Let me tell you that this was like letting a little kid loose inside a candy store! Indeed, no sooner did I think about an ex-girlfriend, or movie star, or supermodel, and boom! There she'd be, right in front of me, hot and willing, and for me to enjoy in all of her naked and sexual glory. My mind continued to imagine woman after woman -- an endless array, all shapes, colors and sizes.

Mneminellie shouts, "Stop! Stop! You are an ass!"

"I'm-I'm-I'm sorry, Mneminellie, I didn't mean to hurt you in any way," I said apologetically.

"Yeah?" "Well go **** yourself!" She countered.

"I swear Mneminellie, I won't ask you to do that changing thing again, really. I mean it! I'm sorry," I continued still apologizing.

"Well... That's okay, Joey. I didn't mean to lash out at you like that, either. It wasn't just you, you know? I was a willing participant too. Go ahead and don't stop... Oh, don't stop! This energy-essence melding feels wonderful, don't you agree?" Mneminellie finally concludes.

"Y-Yes...!" Is my only utterance.

As I close my eyes from all of the pleasure I was again beginning to receive and experience -- both from my thrusting into her as well as from the sexy womanly sounds she was making -- I open my eyes to share with her the delicious and explosive light show that we're about to become. But, when I do, I see something that makes me scream in shock. "AHHHHH!!!!!" I yell at the top of my lungs.

There it was... an exact replica of me, right in front of me, where Mneminellie had been just a few moments ago. Except that this replica of me had a vagina! So that meant that for the past few moments I had literally been ****ing myself! So I quickly and shockingly disengage myself from "myself." As I am doing this, the replica starts laughing hysterically and begins morphing into Mneminellie once again.

"I'm sorry Joey, I just couldn't resist! You had it coming!" She said.

In real life, sexual thoughts and fantasy type sexual imagery pop into peoples minds all the time, privately and harmlessly. These are perfectly natural and do no harm whatsoever. In the sensitive out-of-body environment though, where projectors really are what they think, thoughts are not quite so private and harmless. Sexual thoughts not only affect the sensitive environment, but are also inflicted upon other projectors, often against their will. The quality of projectors' thoughts have a strong influence on OBE operations, as well as on any other projector or being they happen to come across. If sexual thoughts are not well controlled, projectors will not get very far or last very long in the OBE environment.

The telepathic, energetic and empathic linkage provided by the Silver Cord, between the physical/etheric body and its projected double(s), transmits energies and emotions back and forth between them. This includes sexual urges and energies generated by erotic thoughts. The sex instinct is one of the most powerful primal urges and, like all strong emotions, can cause serious energetic problems if allowed to flourish unchecked in the sensitive out-of-body environment. Unchecked sexual thoughts and urges can cause powerful energies to compound back and forth between the physical/etheric body and its projected double. This can cause a type of sexual energy feedback to occur which can have a powerful effect on projectors.

Real Time Sex:

Out of body sex is much more intense during a real time projection. The closer to real time a projector is, the more sensitive and vulnerable he/she is to sexual energies. There is a more direct energetic connection between the physical/etheric body and its real time projected double, than there is with its astral double; this being dimensionally more remote. Because of this, primary energy centers can become heavily involved when triggered by real time sexual encounters, especially the genital and base centers. These are the underlying causes of the intensity and speed of real time sexual encounters. Real-time sex can be almost instantaneous, as compared with an astral or lucid dream types of sexual encounters.

A real time sexual encounter, accidental or deliberate, always has the same outcome. It results in almost instantaneous orgasm for the physical body of the initiator. The same thing can also often happen to the initiator's passive or unwary sexual partner as well, when another projector is involved.

With real time sex between two living projectors, there is more at work than just emotional and sensory feedback between the physical and projected bodies of a single projector. The genital centers of both projector's can connect in a powerful way. This causes a flooding exchange of male and female sexual energies to occur between the physical bodies of both projectors, via their connecting Silver Cords, regardless of the genders of the projectors involved.

Once real time sex is triggered between two projectors, a strong two-way energetic connection forms. This can cause them both to experience uncontrollable sexual arousal which may be completely out of character for either of them. The sexual urge compounds back and forth, causing a shared real-time sexual experience and energy exchange. Each projector contributes to the intensity of the real time sex act, albeit often unwittingly. In most cases there is no deliberate intent on the part of the initiator of the real-time sex act; only a few stray sexual thoughts gone awry. Both projectors are victims of their own built-in sensitivity to sexual urges and energies, with these being greatly intensified in the sensitive out-of-body environment.

Real-time sex does not require physical close contact as it does in the physical dimension. Sex can be initiated and consummated from a distance of several meters or more, with the two projectors involved never getting any closer. But some attempt to enact a semblance of physical copulation will normally occur once the real-time sex process is triggered.

Enhanced Genital Sensitivity:

When a genital center connection (genital chakras) is made during the real-time sex act, both projectors become intimately aware of the sensation of their genitals interacting with each other; as if their physical bodies were actually copulating. But as with all other senses of the projected double, the sensation of touch is enhanced, thereby greatly magnifying OBE genital contact sensations. I would say genital sensitivity is multiplied by a factor of at least ten. It can be so sensitive that orgasm can occur in the physical bodies of both projectors within only a few seconds. This will normally end both projections, for obvious reasons.

Because of this enhanced sensitivity, genital sensations experienced during real-time sex encounters are highly abnormal and feel nothing at all like they do in the physical dimension. The nearest I can describe this abnormal sensation is that both projectors feel themselves expanding into and becoming their oversensitive genitals. They become their genitals and then feel they are copulating with another set of whole-body genitalia, those of their real time sex partner.

Male Initiator:

A male real time sex initiator (his projected double) perceives the rapid extrusion of a giant penis-like limb as extending from his genital area. He then flows into and becomes this penis-like limb. This extends rapidly and deeply penetrates the body of his real-time sex partner in the genital area, even from several meters distance. It rises up through and fills his partner's whole body. The initiator has the sensation that the inside of his partner's body is made of dense, warm, energetically tingling and throbbing, ultra-erotic jelly.

Female Initiator:

A female real time sex initiator (projected double) feels a similar sensation to the above. But her genital limb is usually perceived by her as more of a vagina-like tube extension. This tube grows from her genital area and she flows into it, becoming it. This then extends and deeply penetrates her real-time sex partner's body in the genital area. It then rises up through her partner's body. Her sensation is more of an engulfing of the inside of her partner's body rather than one of simply penetrating. This variation in female genital sensations has also been described to me as an engulfing of the spine of her real-time sex partner.

Real Time Sex Process:

There are as many possible variations of the real-time sex act as there are variations with physical body sex acts, including gay and lesbian varieties. Also the type of genital-like extension sensations that can be experienced, male or female, are not limited by gender. However, the genital and base centers are always involved somewhere in the sexual energy feedback equation. The coming break-down of a real-time OBE sexual encounter is therefore best considered as being the basic real-time sex process only.

1. Some variation of boy meets girl happens between two real-time projectors. Sexual thoughts and imagery cause desire to be felt by the initiator. This desire reflects back and causes immediate sexual arousal to occur in the initiator's own physical body.

2. Physical sensations of sexual arousal now rebound back into the initiator's own projected double, from their own sexually aroused physical body.

3. Sexual thoughts, imagery and erotic sensations flood back and forth, compounding swiftly on telepathic, emotional and bioenergetic levels. This rapidly intensifies sexual arousal in both the initiator's projected double and physical body.

4. Now fully aroused, the initiator's physical body floods its projected double with sexual energy from its now highly active genital center, via the Silver Cord, as his/her physical body rapidly approaches orgasm. This sexual energy flooding momentarily strengthens the initiator's projected double, but sexual urgency now consumes the initiator and results in a total loss of control. Once this stage is reached there is no way to avoid the inevitable consummation of the real-time sex act.

5. The initiator's own projected double will now usually attempt some form of rapid and urgent copulation with his/her ensnared passive partner. This forms a remote energetic connection between the physical bodies of both projectors, via both their projected double's Silver Cords. This connection is much stronger if the passive projector becomes sexually active at this stage.

6. Erotic thoughts and sensations, emotional and sexual energies feed back and forth between the initiator's physical body and its projected double, resulting in a type of erotic sexual energy feedback, swiftly compounding and increasing. This will usually involve the passive partner as well, especially if he/she has become aroused and more or less involved. This creates something like a four sided sexual energy feedback loop, greatly increasing its intensity.

7. Orgasm now occurs in the physical body of the initiator, and very often in his/her passive partner's physical body as well. Physical body orgasm usually ends the projection immediately.

Depending upon the speed and intensity of this type of real-time sexual encounter, the passive partner may or may not become actively involved in the real time sex act. Therefore his/her physical body may or may not experience orgasm. This depends greatly upon the timing of the encounter: on whether or not there is enough time before the energy connection is broken by the initiator, when he/she consummates their side of the real-time sex act. The entire real-time sex process can take place, from the first stray sexual thought to orgasm, in under ten seconds; with either male or female initiator.

The above real-time sex process can have many variations and subtle nuances. Orgasm will almost always occur in the initiator, and more often than not in his/her passive partner as well. The above process can happen so fast that the initiator will often be unaware he/she has initiated sex. That is, until a rapidly approaching physical body orgasm signals the end of his/her projection.

Age, physical condition, sexual orientation and inclination do not have any effect on out-of-body sex. Many people, although they may be old and think they have outgrown the sex urge, find they feel young and sexually active again during OBE. In the out-of-body environment everyone is young and vital and therefore has an inherently sexual nature. And you will never see an old, fat, skinny, crippled or ugly projector. The innate sense of whole-body self-awareness that everyone has sets when a person is in their prime, usually around the age of thirty-five. This sense of whole-body self-awareness shapes the image of the projected double, which is not limited by the true appearance and condition of the actual physical body.

Because of the above, sexual identity can also affect perceptions of the physical body during OBE. For example, a male with female sexual identity can appear as having a female body during OBE. In the fluid OBE environment you are what you think and can become what you feel. (See 'Shape Shifting' -- Astral Dynamics)

Astral Sex:

Astral sex (and even lucid dream sex) is dimensionally more remote and thus causes far less sexual energy and sensory feedback than real-time sex; although this will still occur to some degree. Astral sex is therefore slower and more like normal physical body sex. The enhanced genital sensitivity and abnormal genital sensations, as discussed above, are also greatly reduced during astral sex. Because of this, astral sex can provide extremely realistic sensations: much more like normal physical body sex. Astral sex can also sometimes be orgasm-less due to this reduction in sensitivity, and because of the lengthier time it takes to achieve orgasm and hence consummate the astral sex act.

Apart from other living projectors, many of the characters encountered during astral projections do not appear to be real; although some are what could be called native inhabitants of astral realms. Also, as I mentioned earlier, most of the characters encountered during lucid dreams do not appear to be real. Many seem to be something like created shells, whose sole purpose is to form a temporary part of the scenery.

It is possible to have sex with a created or unreal character, although the genital contact sensations resulting from this type of sexual encounter are greatly reduced; seemingly more distant than sex with other projectors. The sensations of sex, in this case, appear to be provided by the subconscious mind of the projector/dreamer; probably based on memories of past real-life sexual encounters. The erotic mental imagery and sexual sensations are, however, just as real to the physical/etheric body and energetic feedback will still occur, albeit less strongly and in a kind of solo sexual energy feedback loop.

In my experience, other people encountered during real-time OBE's are usually other living projectors. However, this does not hold true once a projector shifts out of the real-time zone and into the lower astral; which will often happen unnoticed. There is one main way to tell real projectors and sentient astral beings from unreal created characters. Real and unreal beings behave and react quite differently to interference, including sexual advances. An unreal character will simply stand there and let anything be done to them, be it sex or murder. They will not resist or complain in the slightest, no matter what is done to them. However, real astral beings and other projectors, even unaware sleep projectors, will be found to object, resist, fight, verbally abuse and even attack interfering projectors; although they will usually just leave the area.

In the crowded areas of the lower astral (the lower astral is heavily populated, mainly with unaware sleep projectors) projectors may find themselves occasionally passing through the bodies of other projectors. This often cannot be avoided, given the usual directional control problems. If they are not careful, this in itself can often trigger the astral sex process, especially when passing through the projected doubles of the opposite sex. Even if a projector keeps his/her mind clear they will still feel a sexual stirring; although this can be controlled and overcome if his/her stays focused and keeps moving. This type of accidental astral sex will only snare projectors if they are careless.

As I said, the majority of OBE sexual encounters are unintentional and/or accidental affairs; although there most definitely are exceptions. Sex just happens when sexual thoughts, fantasy imagery and sexual energies get out of control. Either male or female can initiate the out-of-body sex process with the same end result. This can also happen between two projectors of the same gender.

Only one projector is needed to initiate out-of-body sex, which in most cases is usually enough to involve and consummate sex for both projectors. If projectors do not wish to have out-of-body sex, they have to be aware of what can happen and act quickly. If they meet another projector and think or sense a sexual encounter may be likely, they must move away very quickly to avoid it, especially in real time. But this is easier said than done. It can happen very quickly and the initiator may not even intend to have or cause a sexual encounter. He/she will often be just as shocked by what transpires as their unwitting partner may be.

One comforting thought here is that no one can get seriously hurt through chance out-of-body sexual encounters; no matter what or how it happens. It is not only very quick, but there is no actual physical contact. It is also rarely remembered by either party; and if remembered then only as a dream. And as there is no actual physical contact, it really is the ultimate safe sex. In my opinion, OBE sex can cause no more psychological scarring than a bad dream might.

An important aspect of the natural barrier which out-of-body sex forms, which deserves consideration, is just what this can do to the energetic value of a projector. In the out-of-body environment like attracts like in a very big way. If projectors deliberately seek out and engage in disreputable sexual behavior during a projection, they will find the dimensional level they are capable of operating on will begin to lower significantly. Repeated deliberate sexual encounters (one could call this astral rape, with all this implies) could well mean projectors will begin sliding down the dimensional scale until they find themselves frequenting the very low astral sub-planes. This new level will have a more predatory sexual nature and theme to it; better suited to this type of projector.

For all the above, occasional chance or unintentional out-of-body sexual encounters do not appear to cause any significant or lasting drop in projector's natural dimensional level of operations. And this does not apply to out-of-body love and romance: where there are shared feelings of love, intimacy and desire. The energetic values involved with love and sex are, I believe, quite different from those generated by lust and sex merely for the sake of release. Consummation of the out-of-body sex act will, however, still be found to cut OBE short, especially real-time OBE sex.

Privacy, Ethics & Projection:

There is a widespread belief stemming from early this century that has not only remained unchanged but has been continually propagated ever since. This belief is that if a projector deliberately invades the privacy of another person for immoral purposes or unethical gain, or engages in any disreputable or sexual behavior during OBE, they will be banned or stopped from further projecting -- grounded by a higher authority. It is even believed by some that there is a kind of astral police force watching out for ethical, moral and astral rights transgressors.

According to my experience this belief is a total myth. There are many natural barriers associated with OBE, but there are no ethical nor moral limitations. No higher authority is interested in the activities of projectors. No astral police force will appear and punish bad or naughty projectors.

The ethical and moral correctness of any out-of-body action depends entirely upon the judgment and conscience of the projector concerned. With out-of-body sex especially, strong natural barriers are encountered and there are natural repercussions for repeated disreputable behavior. If projectors cannot control their behavior they will not last very long nor travel very far while out of body. Their experiences will tend to be quickly curtailed whenever they meet any potential sex partners, real or unreal. This cuts their OBE's very short indeed and keeps them off the astral streets, so to speak.

If projectors go actively seeking sex, they will come across an ever increasing number of potential sex partners. The lower astral planes teem with these. Like attracts like in a big way in the sensitive out-of-body environment. The only repercussions stemming from habitual bad behavior, as far as I am aware, are a lowering of energetic values and of the levels of operation possible. In this case the attraction of other like-minded projectors and beings is, I consider, natural consequence enough. This has the effect of keeping sexually overactive projectors away from more serious-minded projectors. This has, I feel, a certain poetic justice to it.

As to invading the privacy of people in the real world, or other projectors in the out-of-body environment, even for deliberate unethical gain or immoral purposes, there are no restrictions. In my experience there is no astral police force or astral overseer who will suddenly blow a whistle and say: "OK mate…I saw what you just did! Get straight back into your body and stay there…Right Now!" Imagine the enormous number of astral police that would be required just to keep tabs on several billion people day and night?

The intentions involved with privacy issues are important. Continual deliberate breaches of privacy will cause a serious alteration in a projector's energy values. This will attract other like-minded projectors and negative-type beings into their OBE's as well as into their real life; which is consequence enough methinks.

It seems the whole idea that out-of-body behavior is policed was started by early researchers and authors on OBE and related subjects, early last century and late in the century before this. Most would have realized the real truth of this matter, of this I am quite sure. However they seem to have worried that if the public knew the whole shocking truth about the sheer freedom of OBE, they might use OBE for what they considered to be immoral purposes. In a way, these researchers and authors tried to impose their own set of moral judgments and values upon the public with a "Stop it or you'll all go blind!" kind of attitude and blanket warning. They hoped by this, I am sure, to influence people into using OBE for good and noble purposes only.

Stemming from this, these early writers and researchers have unwittingly imposed this same set of values upon the present day. Consider the early written works in OBE and related fields, and how these have been used as reference and source material by all researchers, authors and teachers ever since. All of these early works have had some influence on present day thought, concerning behavioral limitations of OBE. As a result of this we now have many versions of 'The Astral Overseer' and 'The Astral Police' types of beliefs to deal with; all stemming from the original morally inflicted Victorian fallacy. (RB)

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Article by Robert Bruce

Φίλε Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde

Θα ξεκινήσω λέγοντας ότι η συνείδηση του ανθρώπου κοιμάται.
Κοιμάται όταν ονειρεύεται και κοιμάται όταν ζει στο κόσμο της εγρήγορσης.

Και αυτό γιατί;

Γιατί ο άνθρωπος δεν γνωρίζει ποιος πραγματικά Είναι. Αυτό που ξέρει ότι Είναι είναι μια εσφαλμένη εντύπωση η οποία είναι κατασκευασμένη από πολλά εγώ καταβολές και πεποιθήσεις. Αυτό το συνονθύλευμα είναι ο Ψυχολογικός μας εαυτός γεμάτος από ελαττώματα και κόμπλεξ και μηχανικότητες.

Ο Πραγματικός μας Εαυτός δεν είναι μια ιδέα του νου . Αυτό που είμαστε είναι πέρα από το γνωστό, το πεπερασμένο και την μνήμη.

Φίλε Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde

Για να υπάρχει υγιείς αποκρυφισμός και μυστικισμός πρέπει ο άνθρωπος να προσπαθεί να αφυπνίζει την συνείδηση του. Αλλιώς όλες οι πληροφορίες γίνονται τροφή για τον νου και για τα εγώ του.

Θα σου απαντήσω σε αυτά που ρώτησες αλλά σε παρακάλω σκέψου τα ποιο επάνω λόγια.

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Πρωτα απ ολα, στο αστρικο πεδιο υπαρχει αφη.Αν αγγιξω ενα τοιχο θα τον νιωσω?

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Ο Πραγματικός μας Εαυτός δεν είναι μια ιδέα του νου . Αυτό που είμαστε είναι πέρα από το γνωστό, το πεπερασμένο και την μνήμη.

Φίλε Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde

Για να υπάρχει υγιείς αποκρυφισμός και μυστικισμός πρέπει ο άνθρωπος να προσπαθεί να αφυπνίζει την συνείδηση του. Αλλιώς όλες οι πληροφορίες γίνονται τροφή για τον νου και για τα εγώ του.

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Φίλε Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde
Όσο για το ελεύθερο της επιλογής που ανέφερες.

Είμαστε ελεύθεροι να επιλέγουμε ή είμαστε οι ηθοποιοί σε ένα κοσμικό φιλμ;

Μπορούμε να φανταστούμε την ανθρωπότητα να μεγαλώνει και να εξελίσσετε μέσα από δυο ομόκεντρους κύκλους.

1. Ο μέσα κύκλος ονομάζετε εσωτερικός.

Μέσα σε αυτόν τον κύκλο βρίσκονται όλα τα όντα που έχουν επιτύχει την ανώτερη υπαρξιακή κατάσταση που είναι δυνατή. Τέτοια όντα είναι ο Χριστός ο Κετσαλκοατλ ο Κρισνα και άλλοι πολλοί.

Αυτά τα όντα είναι ελεύθερα από τα ψυχολογικά ελαττώματα τις αδυναμίες και τα πάθη. Έχουν ελεύθερη βούληση και σε καμιά περίπτωση δεν είναι μηχανικοί .Οι πράξεις τους είναι σε αρμονία με την κατανόηση τους και οι κατανόηση τους με τις πράξεις τους.

Επίσης δεν μπορεί να υπάρχουν διαφωνίες ανάμεσα τους αλλά ούτε διαφορές ως προς την κατανόηση τους.

Οι δραστηριότητες τους είναι απόλυτα συντονισμένες και οδηγούν σε ένα κοινό στόχο και όλα αυτά γιατί βασίζονται σε μια κοινή και ταυτόσημη κατανόηση.

2. εξωτερικός κύκλος
Ο εξωτερικός κύκλος είναι ο κύκλος της μηχανικής ανθρωπότητας. Το πρώτο σημάδι είναι ότι δεν υπάρχει κοινή κατανόηση. Ο καθένας κατανοεί με τον δικό του τρόπο και όλοι διαφορετικά. Η αμοιβαία κατανόηση είναι σχεδόν αδύνατη.

Μέσα σε αυτόν τον κύκλο υπάρχει η υπεράσπιση διαφορετικών ιδεών και καμιά φορά η επιβολή τους με βίαιο τρόπο.

Εδώ υπάρχουν όλες οι αιρέσεις, οι δογματισμοί, οι πεποιθήσεις, οι θρησκείες.
Η μια ιδέα αντιμάχεται την άλλη.

Αν θέλαμε να έχουμε μια εικόνα για αυτήν την κατάσταση θα ταίριαζε να παρομοιάζαμε τον εξωτερικό κύκλο με τον πύργο της Βαβέλ. Ο καθένας μιλάει την δική του γλώσσα και κανένας δεν καταλαβαίνει τον άλλον. (να είναι καλά ο φίλος μου Γκουρτζιεφ)

Για αυτό και τόσες διαφορές και συγκρούσεις σε όλα τα τοπικ αλλά και στον κόσμο γενικότερα.

Επίσης η ελεύθερη βούληση δεν μπορεί να ανήκει στους ανθρώπους που η συνείδηση τους κοιμάται.

Θέλουμε να έχουμε μια εμπειρία στο Αστρικό και δεν μπορούμε να έχουμε μια συνειδητή εμπειρία στο φυσικό.
Τα ταξίδι στο χρόνο φαίνεται να είναι προσόν των οντων που ζουν σε μεγαλύτερα υπαρξιακά αλλά και συνειδησιακά ύψη.

Φαντασου οτι δυο άνθρωποι είναι σε ένα λιβάδι. Ο ένας είναι χαμηλά και άλλος ψηλά σε ένα δέντρο.
Αυτός που είναι ψηλά έχει καλύτερη θεα των γεγονότων και μπορεί να δει αν κάποιος έρχεται προς το μέρος τους .

Ο άνθρωπος που είναι χαμηλά δεν έχει αυτή την θεά ,και έτσι αυτά που ακούει από τον άνθρωπο που είναι ψηλά είναι λόγια μελλοντικά. Μπορεί να γίνουν και μπορεί να μην γίνουν γιατί κάτι μπορεί στο μέλλον να αλλάξει!!!!

Τώρα το ως προς τα πίσω, έχει σχέση με το, ότι έχει ύπαρξη από την αυγή της δημιουργίας δεν έχει σβηστή αλλά συνεχίζει να υπάρχει σε μια διάσταση άλλη.

Κάποιος που μπορεί να έχει πρόσβαση σε αυτά τα κοσμικά αρχεία είναι σαν να σε βλέπει αυτή την στιγμή όπως είσαι αλλά και ταυτόχρονα όλο σου το παρελθών .

Για να έχουμε μια εικόνα. Φαντάσου να κοιταμε ένα φιλμ φωτογραφικό το οποίο ξετυλίγετε . Θα βλέπαμε ταυτόχρονα αυτά που ξετυλίγονται αλλά και αυτά που έχουν ξετυλιχτεί και είναι όλα ανοιγμένα τώρα μπροστά μας.

Όσο για το τελευταίο που λες απαντώ ναι θα μπορούσε.

ΝΑ ΕΙΣΤΕ ΚΑΛΑ
ΕΙΡΗΝΗ ΑΠΕΡΙΟΡΗΣΤΗ

Γενικα σε τι βαθμο μπορει καποιος να "παραβιασει" το "προσωπικο σου απορριτο" κ τι μπορει να "υοθετησει" απο αυτο(μπορει αυτο δηλαδη να του φανει χρησιμο?)?