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Δυο παράδειγματα είναι "ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΘΕΟΣ ?", "ΠΟΙΟΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΥΠΑΡΞΗΣ ΜΟΥ ?". Τα ερώτηματα αυτό δεν είναι επιστημονικά ερώτηματα αλλα φιλοσοφικά ερώτημα.Θα χρησιμοποιήσω αυτό το δεύτερο ερώτημα σαν παράδειγμα για να συνεχίσω την τοποθετησή μου.

file angele,
afta ta dio erwtimata pou theteis edw den ifistadai ston tomena tis epistimis..
dimiourgithikan apo anthrwpous pou pistevan oti einai kati poly megalitero apo afto pou genithikan..apo anthrwpous pou den borousan na dehtoun ton tropo me ton opoio ypirxan..den ithelan na niwthoun toso asimadoi kai mikroi brosta sto syban.. protimousan na pistevoun oti to syban ftiahtike apo aftous apo Ekeinon.. kai Ekoinos tha einai aftos pou tha tous swsei apo to thanato! giati poly apla den borousan na dehthoun oute afto! oti dld kapote tha pethanoun kai tha hathoun gia pada...

loipon , afti i apopsi arese se pollous.. se ypervolika para ma para pollous tha elega kai oloi tin iiothetisan giati tous edine elpida..

ta pragmata einai toso apla, eides pou yparhei mia logiki exigisi gia ola?...

- Λογική ή Παράλογο? - .-= Η ΓΝΩΣΗ =-.16/10/2003, 03:38:42

file AVATARGR,
(apopsi mou) kai vevaia i epistimi kai i logiki borei na apadisei ta pada! gia kathe fainomeno yparhei kai logiki exigisi!

kathe exigisi einai apotelesma polyhronis meletis..
akoma kai gia gegonota pou den ehei diatipothei akoma mia sigekrimeni exigisi apo ton tomea tis epistimis boroume kai monoi mas na vroume mia logiki exigisi...

giati omws adi aftou na protimame tin pio periergi kai apithani ekdohi?

px.
giati otan kapoioi akoune vimata sto tavani vrady nomizoun oti einai fadasma kai ohi podiki kai "prits" medes?

- Λογική ή Παράλογο? - .-= Η ΓΝΩΣΗ =-.15/10/2003, 05:55:49

hairetw..
to erwtima pou tha thesw edw einai poly aplo..

giati na pistevoume me toso pathos kati paralogo ti stigmi pou i epistimi kai i logiki tou anthrwpinou nou einai arketa gia na mas dwsoun tin exigisi?

giati na pistevoume tin pio apithani exigisi ti stigmi pou i apadisi einai toso profanis?

giati na min akolouthoume ta legomena tis epistimis (ta opoia einai kai apodedeigmena) kai na akolouthoume ta legomena kathe anthrwpou pou mas leei kati parafisiko?

mas volevei? mas prokalei? mas aresei?

ena poly aplo paradeigma (to thema omws einai geniko,min piasteite apo afto paradeigma) :
tis proalles eihane vgalei sta parathirakia stis eidiseis mia roumana(?),voulgara(?) oute ki egw de xerw ti itane i opoia ishirizotan oti borouse na giatrepsei ton karkino kanodas masaz sta dahtila!
sto allo parathiraki eihane vgalei enan giatro epistimona kathigiti iatrikis sto panepistimio athinwn me synolika panw apo 6 hronia spoudwn se ellada kai exwteriko..
loipon,mono kai mono to thrasos aftis tis ginaikas kai o tropos me ton opoio milouse se afton ton epistimona me ta tosa diplwmata me ekanan na vgw apo ta rouha mou , ithela na parw tilefwno kai na vgw ston aera na ti vrisw! apo tin aganaktisi mou espasa kai dio potiria pou vrika sto trapezi!
me poio dikaiwma afti i voulgara kai kala fisikotherapeftria (i telospadwn oti dilwne oti einai) hwris oute ena ptihio ishirizotan oti borei na therapefsei to karkino me masaz kai malista milouse hidaia kai oriotan hwris kan na afisei ton giatro na milisei ishirizomeni oti ekeinos leei vlakeies!
ki omws filoi mou, afti i voulgara vgazei to mina toulahiston 30 ekatomirria drahmes poulodas foumara kai elpida se distihismenous anthrwpous...
giati aftoi oi anthrwpoi na ebisteftoun ti voulgara agramati me to "harisma" kai kala kai na min ebistiftoun tni epistimi pou tosa ehei prosferei???

i apadisi ekeinwn twn anthrwpwn xerete poia itan ?
1.den thelane na ehoune heirourgeia kai istories!!!
2.i epistimi stin periptwsi tous sikwne ta heria psila.
afto to pistevete ? to vriskete logiko?

genikevodas to thema twra,
ises (den lew oles) i megaliteri pleiopsifia twn thewriwn pou kikloforoun ehoun ws skopo tin ekmetalefsi?

perimenw tis apadiseis sas...

- Το νόημα της ζωής - .-= Η ΓΝΩΣΗ =-.12/10/2003, 21:18:35

file thoth, (ws pote tha se apokalw file den xerw...edelws typika)
den tha apadisw sta sholia sou kai tha to stamatisw edw (kati pou tha eprepe na eihes kanei esy idi san moderator)..

apo dw kai pera tha se agnow.. elpizw na kaneis ki esy to idio..

- Το νόημα της ζωής - .-= Η ΓΝΩΣΗ =-.12/10/2003, 05:50:48

file thoth,
einai i defteri fora mesa se mia mera pou mou kaneis proswpiki epithesi...
to oti den simfwneis me afta pou lew den simainei oti den prepei na ta lew! kai i adidrasi sou me paraxenevei giati den ehw dei pote kapoion moderator na dra etsi! ypotithetai oti vazeis taxi kai den dimiourgeis provlima..

tespa,to theama einai to noima tis zwis...

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Και σε τι πείραμα θα μπορούσαμε να λαμβάνουμε μέρος? Ποιός θα μπορούσε να μας έχει τοποθετήσει εδώ εκτός από το Θεό? Συμφωνώ πάντως απόλυτα στην άποψη ότι δεν πρέπει να σκεφτόμαστε σαν οντότητα αλλά σαν ολότητα...

poios allos mas ehei topothetisei edw ektos apo to theo...
opws ehw pei kai se ena allo post , edw fainetai i epidrasi tis ekklisias ston anthrwpo..
i apadisi einai apli kai dinw dio ekdohes (aftes pou pistevw egw , opote thoth den sou dinei trofi gia laspi :) ) :

1. i epistimoniki ekdohi, dld i iparxi mas itan edelws tihaia , egine to bing-bang, oi sinthikes itan idanikes gia tin anaptixi zwis ston planiti mas kai etsi siga siga exelihthike i zwi mehri simera (den bainw se epistimonikes leptomereies giati ap oti ehw katalavei edw pera den tis polygoustarete)

2. i ekdohi na topothetithikame edw apo to theo.. alla poion theo?
sigoura ohi afton pou stirizei i ekklisia mas kai opoiadipote alli thriskeia (thoth , afto pistevw egw etsi? :) ) . aftos loipon o theos itan kapoioi exwgiinoi oi opoioi thelisan na topotetisoun sto kosmo mas ena (isws kai to teleiotero) dimiourgima tis tehnologias tous kai na paratirisoun tis adidraseis tou kai to pws tha exelihthei. min fadasteite oti o anthrwpos itan afto to dimiourgima , afto to dimiourgima itan mia morfi zwis se prwimo stadio me tin ikanotita aftoexelixis. exelisomeno afto to eidos hwristike se diafora ypoeidi ena apo ta opoia einai kai o anthrwpos pou telika katafere na kiriarhisei panw se afton ton kosmo. isws afto to peirama na xehastike kai na miname emeis edw "xebarkoi" kai na anarwtiomaste giati eimaste edw..
akoma ki emeis tha borousame na ehoume kanei ena tetoio peirama vazodas kamia 10aria robotakia se ena nisaki aftoprogrammatizomena na prosarmozodai stin synthikes kai ikana na mathainoun apo ta lathi tous..

ta pada einai pithana..

- Το νόημα της ζωής - .-= Η ΓΝΩΣΗ =-.11/10/2003, 19:34:17

file amanasss,
kai vevaia eisai meros aftou tou sybados..
opws kai mia petra einai meros tou sybados..
ara stin ousia prosfereis oti kai mia petra etsi ?
tipota.

elpizw na katalaves afti ti fora :)

- Το νόημα της ζωής - .-= Η ΓΝΩΣΗ =-.11/10/2003, 01:31:05

emeis zoume gia na pethanoume..
den borw na vrw kapoion allo logo..
den prosferoume tipota..

isws omws gia allous (exwkosmikous) na ehei noima i zwi mas..
isws doulevoume gi aftous..
isws eimaste to peirama tous.. isws eimaste ena beta programma.. i tehnologia tous.. ta robotakia tous..
padws esy file pou diavazeis afti ti stigmi den nomizw oti eheis kati na prosfereis sto syban..

ehe ypopsin oti eisai ena meros tou sybados.. ara otan rwtas giati yparhw einai sa na rwtas giati yparhei i petra..
kai kalitera na min lamvanete ton eafto sas san ena pragma , alla san ena synolo pragmatwn..

opoios katalave ,katalave..

- ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ : Αναγκαιότητα ή παγίδα ; - .-= ΜΥΘΟΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ =-.12/10/2003, 20:58:28

bravo re tyaneas...
symfwnw apolyta mazi sou..

- ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ : Αναγκαιότητα ή παγίδα ; - .-= ΜΥΘΟΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ =-.12/10/2003, 06:10:54

kalo thema file steelspring ...

rwtas : anagaiotita i pagida ?
kai ta 2

anagaiotita -> i anagi tou antrwpou na trefei mia elpida gia ton thanato..einai poly voliko na pistevei kai ehei anagi na pistevei oti yparhei zwi meta thanaton..

pagida -> exousia,ekmetalefsi,eborio..

thats all...

- ΑΝ ΜΠΟΡΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΡΩΤΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ; - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.15/10/2003, 05:01:23

thoth, poio einai to diko sou provlima ?
giati to sinehizeis ?
epeidi thihtikane 2 apo ta toses hiliades meli tou forum?
psahneis kati na asholitheis?
to oti den simfwneis me kamia apopsi mou de simainei oti prepei na ginesai epithetikos mazi mou...

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Τι λες; Θα αλλάξεις συμπεριφορά ή θα χρειαστεί να χοντρύνουμε το παιχνίδι;

me apeileis twra? theleis na fovithw ti dinami sou?... eleos..
apla se agnow..
oti eheis na peis pes to mou prive , mi kaneis flood to topic me anousia posts giati anagazeis kai mena na kanw to idio..
oso gia to topic pou mou edwses na dw , mesa se afto o admin parakalei na grafoun oloi se ellinika den YPOHREWNEI! ...

gi afto , epeidi mou pairnei arketo hrono na grapsw se ellinika (ehw sinithisei se greeklish) to thewrw fisiologiko na grafw se greeklish..
so , opoios den borei na diavasei ta greeklish mou , as min to kanei, den ypohrewnw kanenan , den katapiezw kanenan..

kai na eisai pio evgenikos se parakalw..

- ΑΝ ΜΠΟΡΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΡΩΤΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ; - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.13/10/2003, 22:03:42

eheis dikio thodoris kai hairomai opu to les afto...
de se ipohrewnei kaneis na apadiseis..
afto metafrazetai sto oti den boreis na apadiseis me epiheirimata..

an eihes etoimo epiheirima na me adikrouseis sigoura tha to ekanes..
i mipws kanw lathos?...

kai sto katw katw ti eisai esy ? dikigoros tou manos ? aston na apadisei monos tou...

kai oso anafora ta greeklish..
afou eiste toso fanatikoi twn ellinikwn giati ta nicknames sas einai se greeklish... ?

- ΑΝ ΜΠΟΡΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΡΩΤΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ; - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.12/10/2003, 21:33:54

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αν εχεις προβλημα που γεννηθηκες στην ελλαδα και στο να γραφεις ελληνικα ,ειναι το καταλληλο τοπικ στο να σκεφτεις τι θα ρωταγες τον θεο γι'αυτο:)))))))))

poios eironevetai poion edw ?
se eiha gia poio axiologo manos..lypamai..

mipws prospatheis na xefigeis apo tis erwtiseis pou ethesa?
opws kai oloi oi alloi pou sinehizoun to violi tous ?
kai den ehw to hrono na psaxw se alla topic gia pithanes apadiseis sou panw sto thema giati ehw kai pio simadika pragmata na kanw..

oso gia ta greeklish mou pou lete oti sas kourazoun , emena me kourazoun ta ellinika kai borw na grapsw pio grigora se greeklish.. opote opoios den borei na diavasei ta greeklish mou (i den ton volevei na ta diavasei thelodas na apofigei kapoios apopseis tis opoies den boreitai na kataripsete) as min ta diavasei kai as ta agnoei..

- ΑΝ ΜΠΟΡΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΡΩΤΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ; - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.12/10/2003, 05:26:45

epeidi de thelw na exelihthei se diamahi to stamataw edw..

afto pou thelw na sou pw egw einai to exis :
pisteveis sto theo giati gennithikes stin ellada,sou aresoun ta ellinika giati genithikes stin ellada.. stin ousia pisteveis se oti oi alloi se ehoun mathei kai polles fores anagasei na pisteveis.
apo ti stigmi pou apo tin 1i dimotikou mehri tin triti lykeiou se anagazoun na mathaineis katheti gia ton hristianismo,apo ti stigmi pou apo ti stigmi pou geniesai vaftizesai hristianos hwris kan na se rwtisoun an ton apodehesai,apo ti stigmi pou se mathenoun na kaneis ton stavro sou,na les prosefhes,na ymneis to theo kai to hristo den se katigorw gia tis apopseis pou eheis..

an eihes genithei stin afriki tha pisteves ston mago tis fylis , an eihes genithei tourkos tha misouses tous ellines,an eihes genithei indianos tha proskinouses to totem tis fylis sou.. ta pragmata einai poly apla..

se mathainoun apo mikro paidi oti yparhei to kalo kai to kako..gia fadasou na geniosoun se ena nisi,kai na sou mathainan apo mikro paidi oti o theos sou itan o baxter kai s afton prepei na pistevoume oloi giati alliws otan paithaneis tha pas stin kolasi, kai na sou legane oti prin 2000 hronia o baxter eihe erthei sti gi kai ekane terastia pragmata.. ean ekeino to nisi itan apokleismeno apo kathe allo politismo kai apo kathe allo anthrwpo tote apadise mou eilikrina...
poios tha itan o theos sou?? se poion tha pisteves??
kathe vradi tha ekanes tin prosefhi sou kai eleges "eleison imas baxter"...

mi masas oti sou poulane!
i ekklisia einai apla mia exousia pou oi rizes tis kratane apo poly palia. afti i exousia loipon katafere na organwsei etsi ta pragmata pou diatireitai mehri kai simera..

anamenw tin apadisi sou me endiaferon...
oso gia tin istoria tou hristianismou (giati istoria tinthewrw egw) borw na sou vrw 1000+ leptomereies pou tha se pisoun oti ola afta einai odws mia istorioula..

katalave oti o hristianismos einai mia thewria i opoia epikratise twn allwn kai ypostirihthike apo tous perissoterous..
desto kai istorika : ean eihe epikratisei o hitler tin dekaetia tou 40 tote simera ta vivlia tha grafane ymnous gi afton , ta pada tha eihan kalifthei, tha itan o irwas mas...

den se anagazw na apodehteis oti lew , alla den boreis na ta katarripseis... ki an boreseis tha se paradehtw ki egw..
to mono pou lew se olous einai na papsoun na einai "ta provata pros sfagi".. katalavete oti ipiretite symferoda kai stirizetai exousies..

perimenw ta reply sas..

baxter

Edited by - baxter on 12/10/2003 05:29:26

- ΑΝ ΜΠΟΡΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΡΩΤΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ; - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.11/10/2003, 20:03:06

sorry re file,
apagorevetai na pw ti gnwmi mou?
ti thes diladi? olo oi hristes tou forum na symfwnoun metaxy tous?
kai gia pio logo na min grafw sta greeklish? epeidi esy diskolevesai na diavaseis? kaneis allos den diamartirithike.. mono esy..
den diavasa pouthena oti apagorevodai ta greeklish..

kai na se parakalesw na laveis ypopsin sou oti to na eisai moderator de simainei oti boreis na milas ek merous olwn twn allwn.. min ekmetalevesai loipon aftin tin ypotipwdi exousia sou.
to an kapoios eniwse ashima apo afta pou eipa tha to pei monos tou kai tha milisei gia ton eafto tou..

esy me poio dikaiwma milas ek merous OLWN twn allwn?

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Baxter, θα σε παρακαλούσα να απευθύνεσαι με μεγαλύτερο σεβασμό στους συνομιλητές σου. Σε δύο post που είδα να γράφεις, ο τόνος σου είναι πολύ υποτιμητικός για τους άλλους που συμμετέχουν στην συζήτηση.
Το να ειρωνεύεσαι τους υπόλοιπους λέγοντας τους "μεγαλώστε επιτέλους" είναι προσβλητικό.

- ΑΝ ΜΠΟΡΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΙ ΘΑ ΡΩΤΟΥΣΑΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟ; - .-= Η ΨΥΧΗ =-.11/10/2003, 00:49:19

wake up guys...
god is not what u think..
o theos einai kati pou o anthrwpos dimiourgise apo to fovo pou eihe gia to thanato.. einai ypervolika voliko na leme oti kapoios mas dimiourgise..
omws skefteite oti an kapoios mas eihe dimiourgisei tha eihe idi emfanistei,tha mas hrisimopoiouse,tha goustare na paizei mazi mas,tha goustare na ehei exousia panw mas.
apo tin stigmi pou den ehoume dei kati tetoio simainei oti theos (me ti simasia pou tin ennoeitai) den yparhei..
theos,agio pnevma kai jesus einai istories gia paidiakia...
megalwste epitelous...
skeftite epistimonika,skefteite logika..